1 00:00:16,690 --> 00:00:12,900 [Music] 2 00:00:20,080 --> 00:00:16,700 this hope radio for the masses headliner 3 00:00:22,120 --> 00:00:20,090 between July 8 1947 these are the 4 00:00:24,550 --> 00:00:22,130 airport that has an antenna flying there 5 00:00:27,490 --> 00:00:24,560 - found and is now in the possession of 6 00:00:31,540 --> 00:00:27,500 the otter the game is rigged changed the 7 00:00:34,780 --> 00:00:31,550 game changer I occasionally think how 8 00:00:38,560 --> 00:00:34,790 quickly our differences worldwide would 9 00:00:41,190 --> 00:00:38,570 vanish if we were facing an alien threat 10 00:00:46,500 --> 00:00:41,200 from outside 11 00:00:48,810 --> 00:00:46,510 [Music] 12 00:00:51,630 --> 00:00:48,820 fade to black with your host Jimmy 13 00:00:53,569 --> 00:00:51,640 Church on the game changer radio network 14 00:00:58,080 --> 00:00:53,579 and a GRA 15 00:01:03,310 --> 00:00:59,810 I need your help to get to the year 16 00:01:10,660 --> 00:01:07,480 [Music] 17 00:01:12,100 --> 00:01:10,670 - black with Jimmy touch only game 18 00:01:20,520 --> 00:01:12,110 change in network 19 00:01:27,030 --> 00:01:25,370 good evening fade to black 20 00:01:35,010 --> 00:01:27,040 [Music] 21 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:35,020 this spoke radio for Matt says today is 22 00:01:44,420 --> 00:01:39,730 Monday December 9th 2019 343 days into 23 00:01:50,200 --> 00:01:44,430 the new year just 22 days left 24 00:01:51,670 --> 00:01:50,210 [Music] 25 00:01:55,210 --> 00:01:51,680 I would like to welcome everybody 26 00:01:59,380 --> 00:01:55,220 listening all around the world all 27 00:02:01,810 --> 00:01:59,390 across the United States Hitler and 28 00:02:05,350 --> 00:02:01,820 tither to and fro back and forth up and 29 00:02:07,499 --> 00:02:05,360 down east and west north and south far 30 00:02:10,990 --> 00:02:07,509 and near 31 00:02:13,300 --> 00:02:11,000 this is fade to black for kjc are the 32 00:02:14,370 --> 00:02:13,310 game changer Network and K GRA the 33 00:02:18,160 --> 00:02:14,380 planets 34 00:02:19,600 --> 00:02:18,170 I'm your host Jimmy Church what is 35 00:02:20,130 --> 00:02:19,610 cracking everybody how you doing you 36 00:02:23,350 --> 00:02:20,140 ready 37 00:02:26,650 --> 00:02:23,360 it's Monday kicking off another great 38 00:02:27,190 --> 00:02:26,660 week here on theta black we're gonna do 39 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:27,200 that tonight 40 00:02:33,460 --> 00:02:31,730 with Greg and Dana Newkirk that's right 41 00:02:37,180 --> 00:02:33,470 they're both here we're going to be 42 00:02:39,220 --> 00:02:37,190 discussing Helier season two and if you 43 00:02:40,630 --> 00:02:39,230 haven't seen it yet I can guarantee you 44 00:02:43,150 --> 00:02:40,640 one thing you're gonna be watching it 45 00:02:46,630 --> 00:02:43,160 tonight after the show it's an amazing 46 00:02:49,210 --> 00:02:46,640 series in 2012 47 00:02:51,670 --> 00:02:49,220 Greg received an email from a man 48 00:02:53,229 --> 00:02:51,680 calling himself David Christie who 49 00:02:55,479 --> 00:02:53,239 claimed that he and his family were 50 00:02:58,690 --> 00:02:55,489 being terrorized by unearthly creatures 51 00:03:00,880 --> 00:02:58,700 of the night after exchanging emails 52 00:03:02,650 --> 00:03:00,890 David disappeared for the next five 53 00:03:04,360 --> 00:03:02,660 years the case only got stranger and 54 00:03:07,990 --> 00:03:04,370 more connections and mysterious emails 55 00:03:10,030 --> 00:03:08,000 came in then in 2017 Greg and his team 56 00:03:12,550 --> 00:03:10,040 of researchers traveled to rural 57 00:03:14,979 --> 00:03:12,560 Kentucky not knowing what they would 58 00:03:18,520 --> 00:03:14,989 uncover or how deep they would discover 59 00:03:20,289 --> 00:03:18,530 what the case might lead to now that was 60 00:03:22,960 --> 00:03:20,299 the premise of the first season of 61 00:03:24,789 --> 00:03:22,970 Hellyer a five-part documentary but the 62 00:03:26,620 --> 00:03:24,799 Hellyer project didn't stop there the 63 00:03:30,850 --> 00:03:26,630 team continued to research and explore 64 00:03:32,890 --> 00:03:30,860 and the case only went haywire after 65 00:03:35,830 --> 00:03:32,900 thousands of miles of driving months of 66 00:03:38,770 --> 00:03:35,840 research and filming Helia returned back 67 00:03:41,050 --> 00:03:38,780 in a November 2019 last month with the 68 00:03:43,479 --> 00:03:41,060 full second season run comprised of 10 69 00:03:45,009 --> 00:03:43,489 full length episodes and tonight Greg 70 00:03:47,410 --> 00:03:45,019 and Dana returned to fade to black to 71 00:03:50,140 --> 00:03:47,420 discuss their journey of Hellyer and how 72 00:03:52,479 --> 00:03:50,150 it has not only changed them but their 73 00:03:54,250 --> 00:03:52,489 entire production team as well I would 74 00:03:57,370 --> 00:03:54,260 like to welcome back to fade to black 75 00:04:02,349 --> 00:03:57,380 to my favorites Gigan Dana Newkirk you 76 00:04:03,540 --> 00:04:02,359 guys troublemakers the both of you we 77 00:04:09,390 --> 00:04:03,550 love it 78 00:04:11,070 --> 00:04:09,400 man oh man oh man oh man okay first off 79 00:04:13,650 --> 00:04:11,080 congratulations okay 80 00:04:14,970 --> 00:04:13,660 lots of work went into this and we'll be 81 00:04:19,440 --> 00:04:14,980 talking about that tonight that's the 82 00:04:21,120 --> 00:04:19,450 first thing the second thing is as last 83 00:04:23,460 --> 00:04:21,130 season this is for the audience by the 84 00:04:27,570 --> 00:04:23,470 way not necessarily for you guys but at 85 00:04:30,600 --> 00:04:27,580 the end of last season Greg and I and 86 00:04:32,760 --> 00:04:30,610 Dana we all talked about how it wrapped 87 00:04:35,430 --> 00:04:32,770 up and and the loose ends that were 88 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:35,440 there I had tons of questions and and 89 00:04:41,730 --> 00:04:38,890 you guys both promised me that that's it 90 00:04:43,670 --> 00:04:41,740 you guys are you know bearing down and 91 00:04:47,880 --> 00:04:43,680 you're gonna go straight for this and 92 00:04:51,120 --> 00:04:47,890 and here we are at at season two and I 93 00:04:53,250 --> 00:04:51,130 think it was Greg you and I talked it 94 00:04:56,370 --> 00:04:53,260 was probably over a month ago before you 95 00:05:01,610 --> 00:04:56,380 guys went to England right yeah and and 96 00:05:06,150 --> 00:05:04,380 right and I said what about what about 97 00:05:08,150 --> 00:05:06,160 what about what about you said check 98 00:05:12,300 --> 00:05:08,160 check check check and check 99 00:05:14,100 --> 00:05:12,310 stay put I'll get you the preview of it 100 00:05:18,570 --> 00:05:14,110 and and you will see I think you're 101 00:05:22,350 --> 00:05:18,580 going to be happy well now I've watched 102 00:05:27,330 --> 00:05:22,360 the second season and all I can say is 103 00:05:30,690 --> 00:05:27,340 this the amount of work that is here for 104 00:05:33,260 --> 00:05:30,700 the world to see what you two and the 105 00:05:37,260 --> 00:05:33,270 rest of the team by the way went through 106 00:05:39,630 --> 00:05:37,270 tirelessly to absolutely follow the 107 00:05:42,840 --> 00:05:39,640 clues and the synchronicities to have 108 00:05:45,420 --> 00:05:42,850 that commitment is astounding and it is 109 00:05:48,270 --> 00:05:45,430 presented so well in the film or the the 110 00:05:51,510 --> 00:05:48,280 series so congratulations on that how do 111 00:05:53,520 --> 00:05:51,520 you feel now that it has wrap have you 112 00:05:59,340 --> 00:05:53,530 had a chance to take a breath and go man 113 00:06:00,630 --> 00:05:59,350 did we just do that it feels like we've 114 00:06:01,800 --> 00:06:00,640 given birth and now we're trying to 115 00:06:05,640 --> 00:06:01,810 figure out how to be parents 116 00:06:10,760 --> 00:06:05,650 is good way of putting it actually you 117 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:10,770 know is it is it to the point where a 118 00:06:15,240 --> 00:06:13,330 when something amazing happens in your 119 00:06:16,060 --> 00:06:15,250 life and we've all had you know 120 00:06:18,880 --> 00:06:16,070 occurrences 121 00:06:22,770 --> 00:06:18,890 and where you go man did that actually 122 00:06:25,840 --> 00:06:22,780 was that real did this actually happen 123 00:06:27,970 --> 00:06:25,850 you now have the opportunity to honestly 124 00:06:32,080 --> 00:06:27,980 ask that question because you can look 125 00:06:35,650 --> 00:06:32,090 back it must be a blur right oh god if 126 00:06:37,510 --> 00:06:35,660 Karl hadn't edited so well I wouldn't 127 00:06:39,490 --> 00:06:37,520 even remember what happened so much 128 00:06:40,750 --> 00:06:39,500 stuff has happened I mean one of the 129 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:40,760 things people don't realize either is 130 00:06:45,130 --> 00:06:43,010 that we started shooting the second 131 00:06:47,980 --> 00:06:45,140 season like six months before the first 132 00:06:49,690 --> 00:06:47,990 season even came out and so it's just 133 00:06:52,510 --> 00:06:49,700 been it's kind of all melded into this 134 00:06:54,700 --> 00:06:52,520 weird two years where man I don't envy 135 00:06:56,140 --> 00:06:54,710 Karl's job or he had to sit and actually 136 00:06:57,880 --> 00:06:56,150 organize everything and figure out how 137 00:07:00,060 --> 00:06:57,890 to present it because as you've seen 138 00:07:02,470 --> 00:07:00,070 there's so much insane stuff in there 139 00:07:04,870 --> 00:07:02,480 and so much on the cutting room floor 140 00:07:07,780 --> 00:07:04,880 our lives are a blur so we're lucky to 141 00:07:10,300 --> 00:07:07,790 have Karl who can put it in a nice 142 00:07:12,340 --> 00:07:10,310 linear fashion for us that we can we can 143 00:07:15,940 --> 00:07:12,350 show people and say yes this did 144 00:07:17,980 --> 00:07:15,950 actually happen well exactly and 145 00:07:19,120 --> 00:07:17,990 speaking of a linear fashion I'm glad 146 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:19,130 you put it that way 147 00:07:27,670 --> 00:07:24,290 Dana for you all of this started oddly 148 00:07:30,790 --> 00:07:27,680 enough with this email back in 2012 with 149 00:07:35,050 --> 00:07:30,800 Greg he's just a kid right I mean he's 150 00:07:37,180 --> 00:07:35,060 just a kid for you you had to accept the 151 00:07:38,500 --> 00:07:37,190 journey that was about to unfold you 152 00:07:41,350 --> 00:07:38,510 don't know what's about to go down over 153 00:07:45,030 --> 00:07:41,360 these next two years all because of that 154 00:07:49,270 --> 00:07:45,040 Praja nadir that email going back to his 155 00:07:52,210 --> 00:07:49,280 ghost-hunting teen it was a kid and I 156 00:07:54,550 --> 00:07:52,220 want to ask you that original email what 157 00:07:58,930 --> 00:07:54,560 did you make of that and did you have 158 00:08:01,780 --> 00:07:58,940 any idea of of what was about to unfold 159 00:08:05,290 --> 00:08:01,790 in front of you I think you can tell 160 00:08:07,420 --> 00:08:05,300 pretty much for the most part I tend to 161 00:08:10,570 --> 00:08:07,430 be maybe not necessarily the most 162 00:08:12,820 --> 00:08:10,580 skeptical person but I kind of like to 163 00:08:16,210 --> 00:08:12,830 ground everything as much as I can so 164 00:08:18,100 --> 00:08:16,220 initially when the initial emails I was 165 00:08:21,250 --> 00:08:18,110 very skeptical of them I was very 166 00:08:25,570 --> 00:08:21,260 convinced that we were being messed with 167 00:08:28,390 --> 00:08:25,580 and I kind of I I sort of distanced 168 00:08:29,970 --> 00:08:28,400 myself from them a little bit and at the 169 00:08:32,250 --> 00:08:29,980 time you know even 170 00:08:35,190 --> 00:08:32,260 even for me I think I mentioned it in 171 00:08:37,140 --> 00:08:35,200 the first season but it was the photos 172 00:08:38,730 --> 00:08:37,150 really that were the clincher for me 173 00:08:40,140 --> 00:08:38,740 that convinced me like okay this is 174 00:08:44,130 --> 00:08:40,150 something that we seriously need to pay 175 00:08:45,870 --> 00:08:44,140 attention to and I mean at that time you 176 00:08:47,970 --> 00:08:45,880 know if you had even asked me this five 177 00:08:49,740 --> 00:08:47,980 years ago I don't think that I would 178 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:49,750 have had any idea that it would have 179 00:08:55,110 --> 00:08:52,810 spiraled into this investigation into 180 00:08:56,850 --> 00:08:55,120 this specific case and that we would 181 00:08:59,490 --> 00:08:56,860 still be here kind of following these 182 00:09:02,070 --> 00:08:59,500 threads all these years later so I have 183 00:09:04,770 --> 00:09:02,080 definitely come full circle 184 00:09:06,690 --> 00:09:04,780 and even though I still like to consider 185 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:06,700 myself you know pretty grounded person I 186 00:09:11,190 --> 00:09:09,130 I think that initially I was very 187 00:09:14,070 --> 00:09:11,200 skeptical and and today you know I've 188 00:09:15,600 --> 00:09:14,080 just a part of this investigation out so 189 00:09:17,580 --> 00:09:15,610 it's it's pulled me in would you say 190 00:09:20,100 --> 00:09:17,590 you've embraced the goblins I have fully 191 00:09:22,170 --> 00:09:20,110 embraced the goblins I am one with the 192 00:09:24,060 --> 00:09:22,180 goblins as they would say well you bring 193 00:09:28,800 --> 00:09:24,070 up the photographs which is interesting 194 00:09:30,780 --> 00:09:28,810 to me because in any relationship and 195 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:30,790 yours is a unique relationship but in 196 00:09:34,860 --> 00:09:33,130 any relationship you tend to have 197 00:09:36,920 --> 00:09:34,870 somebody that's more pragmatic and 198 00:09:41,400 --> 00:09:36,930 somebody else that is out of their mind 199 00:09:47,910 --> 00:09:44,040 what is constantly fighting trying to 200 00:09:51,390 --> 00:09:47,920 ground the other to pull back to reality 201 00:09:53,670 --> 00:09:51,400 kind of thing but for you Dana 202 00:09:57,470 --> 00:09:53,680 you got pulled in the other direction 203 00:10:01,260 --> 00:09:57,480 the pragmatic one got pulled in to the 204 00:10:05,040 --> 00:10:01,270 craziness because the evidence was so 205 00:10:07,920 --> 00:10:05,050 solid right yeah I mean it was really 206 00:10:08,780 --> 00:10:07,930 for us taking those photos and talking 207 00:10:12,390 --> 00:10:08,790 to 208 00:10:14,460 --> 00:10:12,400 more about that kind of space than us 209 00:10:16,130 --> 00:10:14,470 and having these people tell us no you 210 00:10:19,920 --> 00:10:16,140 need to take this seriously because 211 00:10:22,290 --> 00:10:19,930 these photos have the the footprints and 212 00:10:23,880 --> 00:10:22,300 the photos have dermal ridges which at 213 00:10:25,740 --> 00:10:23,890 the time you know we really didn't know 214 00:10:27,420 --> 00:10:25,750 a whole lot about and now all you know 215 00:10:29,070 --> 00:10:27,430 all these years later we know how 216 00:10:30,480 --> 00:10:29,080 difficult that it would be to fake we 217 00:10:35,790 --> 00:10:30,490 know that it would be almost impossible 218 00:10:38,610 --> 00:10:35,800 to fake in detail so yeah it it was an 219 00:10:40,830 --> 00:10:38,620 intense experience and really kind of 220 00:10:43,369 --> 00:10:40,840 something that we had to I had to a 221 00:10:46,969 --> 00:10:43,379 certain point take seriously 222 00:10:48,859 --> 00:10:46,979 when I'm Greg I'm porting all of this a 223 00:10:53,059 --> 00:10:48,869 Dana because you've got a lot of stuff 224 00:10:56,689 --> 00:10:53,069 to answer for continuing but Dana 225 00:11:00,649 --> 00:10:56,699 there's another part about this where I 226 00:11:03,549 --> 00:11:00,659 feel that Greg understands 227 00:11:06,739 --> 00:11:03,559 synchronicities and the opportunities 228 00:11:09,379 --> 00:11:06,749 he's willing to go wait a minute 229 00:11:13,219 --> 00:11:09,389 did you understand how important 230 00:11:16,909 --> 00:11:13,229 synchronicities would be in life before 231 00:11:21,139 --> 00:11:16,919 the series came together it's funny 232 00:11:23,269 --> 00:11:21,149 because I've had sacredness cities with 233 00:11:25,039 --> 00:11:23,279 regards to this case but I think out of 234 00:11:26,389 --> 00:11:25,049 all of us I might be the one who's 235 00:11:29,269 --> 00:11:26,399 experienced the least amount of 236 00:11:30,949 --> 00:11:29,279 synchronicities which I think I think I 237 00:11:33,199 --> 00:11:30,959 don't know maybe that's my role to play 238 00:11:36,109 --> 00:11:33,209 in this case is to kind of remain the 239 00:11:37,579 --> 00:11:36,119 person who's somewhat a an arm's 240 00:11:39,739 --> 00:11:37,589 distance away maybe to kind of ground 241 00:11:42,649 --> 00:11:39,749 every one when they get too crazy or 242 00:11:44,599 --> 00:11:42,659 maybe that's again just my role but I 243 00:11:46,789 --> 00:11:44,609 think once I started seeing them 244 00:11:49,579 --> 00:11:46,799 happening to the people around me I 245 00:11:51,409 --> 00:11:49,589 definitely had to take them incredibly 246 00:11:53,090 --> 00:11:51,419 seriously like just seeing the 247 00:11:56,090 --> 00:11:53,100 experiences that Carl was going through 248 00:11:59,299 --> 00:11:56,100 and Greg and even Connor and Tyler too 249 00:12:00,859 --> 00:11:59,309 it's I can't not take that seriously now 250 00:12:03,529 --> 00:12:00,869 and at this point I think in the game we 251 00:12:05,119 --> 00:12:03,539 know that we absolutely have to take 252 00:12:08,479 --> 00:12:05,129 those se courtesies as seriously as 253 00:12:10,069 --> 00:12:08,489 possible you have to and those changes 254 00:12:12,559 --> 00:12:10,079 happen to me too as well 255 00:12:14,989 --> 00:12:12,569 I I think that we all do but for you 256 00:12:15,739 --> 00:12:14,999 personally if somebody comes up to you 257 00:12:18,859 --> 00:12:15,749 now 258 00:12:19,969 --> 00:12:18,869 or it's in a conversation over dinner or 259 00:12:21,529 --> 00:12:19,979 whatever and somebody goes who knows 260 00:12:23,389 --> 00:12:21,539 weird synchronicity happened today 261 00:12:27,379 --> 00:12:23,399 you're gonna you're gonna snap to 262 00:12:29,869 --> 00:12:27,389 attention aren't you yeah it's it's like 263 00:12:31,489 --> 00:12:29,879 a buzzword now and it's like sort of I 264 00:12:33,199 --> 00:12:31,499 think I've described it this way before 265 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:33,209 but every time I hear it now or any time 266 00:12:37,129 --> 00:12:35,850 I kind of I'm in the space of one of 267 00:12:39,079 --> 00:12:37,139 those synchronicities it's like you've 268 00:12:41,269 --> 00:12:39,089 been hit with the tuning fork it's like 269 00:12:43,909 --> 00:12:41,279 a vibration that you can feel and so I 270 00:12:46,219 --> 00:12:43,919 think I've over the years over the past 271 00:12:48,289 --> 00:12:46,229 few years specifically with Hellyer I've 272 00:12:49,309 --> 00:12:48,299 become pretty good at picking up on that 273 00:12:51,859 --> 00:12:49,319 that weird 274 00:12:54,469 --> 00:12:51,869 sacredness city vibration isn't it 275 00:12:56,910 --> 00:12:54,479 strange how and you guys talk about it a 276 00:13:01,169 --> 00:12:56,920 lot during the series but 277 00:13:03,119 --> 00:13:01,179 in all seriousness there are most of 278 00:13:06,599 --> 00:13:03,129 this planet doesn't even know what the 279 00:13:08,699 --> 00:13:06,609 word is and they they don't know when 280 00:13:10,889 --> 00:13:08,709 these things happen to them they're just 281 00:13:13,530 --> 00:13:10,899 cruising through life and are oblivious 282 00:13:15,150 --> 00:13:13,540 that's the fascinating part to me isn't 283 00:13:18,090 --> 00:13:15,160 it because synchronicities are actually 284 00:13:20,129 --> 00:13:18,100 quite fun yeah and i think i think one 285 00:13:21,479 --> 00:13:20,139 of the cool things too is you know 286 00:13:24,329 --> 00:13:21,489 there's been a lot of people who've 287 00:13:25,859 --> 00:13:24,339 watched tell you who recognize something 288 00:13:27,659 --> 00:13:25,869 that maybe they didn't know how to put 289 00:13:30,239 --> 00:13:27,669 their finger on before and now they have 290 00:13:31,710 --> 00:13:30,249 a way to explain it with you know that 291 00:13:33,329 --> 00:13:31,720 they they were and have been 292 00:13:34,650 --> 00:13:33,339 experiencing those synchronicities I 293 00:13:37,470 --> 00:13:34,660 will say there is a synchronicity 294 00:13:40,049 --> 00:13:37,480 drinking game that people have have 295 00:13:41,999 --> 00:13:40,059 formed around Helier that I cannot stand 296 00:13:44,369 --> 00:13:42,009 behind because you will die don't 297 00:13:46,499 --> 00:13:44,379 recommend if you drink every time 298 00:13:52,489 --> 00:13:46,509 someone says the word synchronicity you 299 00:13:54,720 --> 00:13:52,499 will die you would die in one episode 300 00:13:57,569 --> 00:13:54,730 one episode 301 00:14:03,210 --> 00:13:57,579 okay let's actually let's let's let's go 302 00:14:05,369 --> 00:14:03,220 back to episode 1 of Hellyer 2 and I 303 00:14:08,579 --> 00:14:05,379 think that was I'm glad you did that 304 00:14:12,659 --> 00:14:08,589 episode the way that you did because if 305 00:14:15,659 --> 00:14:12,669 somebody missed a season one then it's 306 00:14:18,059 --> 00:14:15,669 the perfect starter course there there's 307 00:14:19,919 --> 00:14:18,069 that part of it but the second part of 308 00:14:23,159 --> 00:14:19,929 it if you did see hell your season one 309 00:14:25,530 --> 00:14:23,169 you you get reminded of all of the 310 00:14:28,949 --> 00:14:25,540 different subjects that were left on the 311 00:14:31,019 --> 00:14:28,959 table when you guys sat down I'll throw 312 00:14:33,210 --> 00:14:31,029 this to Greg first and then and then 313 00:14:37,619 --> 00:14:33,220 Dana but Greg when you guys sat down and 314 00:14:39,929 --> 00:14:37,629 said okay what's everybody got was that 315 00:14:41,699 --> 00:14:39,939 pretty overwhelming to see that 316 00:14:43,559 --> 00:14:41,709 everybody was still on the case and 317 00:14:46,799 --> 00:14:43,569 there was a lot of to everybody had 318 00:14:48,509 --> 00:14:46,809 their own individual focus yeah actually 319 00:14:50,069 --> 00:14:48,519 if you watch the episode you'll notice 320 00:14:51,689 --> 00:14:50,079 that the only two people who didn't 321 00:14:56,099 --> 00:14:51,699 really bring anything were me and Dana 322 00:14:58,679 --> 00:14:56,109 were so burned out and and just over it 323 00:15:01,650 --> 00:14:58,689 at that point I everyone talks about my 324 00:15:03,689 --> 00:15:01,660 beard that's my depression beard we were 325 00:15:05,129 --> 00:15:03,699 just dealing with like Helier was gonna 326 00:15:06,720 --> 00:15:05,139 come out and another month 327 00:15:09,210 --> 00:15:06,730 I was super stressed out I didn't know 328 00:15:10,830 --> 00:15:09,220 what people going to think about it but 329 00:15:12,269 --> 00:15:10,840 you know it was still import 330 00:15:13,980 --> 00:15:12,279 because we had been working on this 331 00:15:17,130 --> 00:15:13,990 thing for a year at least at this point 332 00:15:20,700 --> 00:15:17,140 I was 14 months 14 months after we had 333 00:15:22,680 --> 00:15:20,710 done that initial investigation and so 334 00:15:24,330 --> 00:15:22,690 much of what we had discovered during 335 00:15:27,180 --> 00:15:24,340 that first investigation had piqued the 336 00:15:28,920 --> 00:15:27,190 interest of you know Karl and Conner and 337 00:15:31,010 --> 00:15:28,930 even our friend Tyler who makes a very 338 00:15:33,480 --> 00:15:31,020 brief appearance in the first season 339 00:15:35,070 --> 00:15:33,490 they had gone off and done their own 340 00:15:38,730 --> 00:15:35,080 research they pulled on their own 341 00:15:41,250 --> 00:15:38,740 threads so it was it was necessary but 342 00:15:42,990 --> 00:15:41,260 obviously very overwhelming when we all 343 00:15:44,610 --> 00:15:43,000 sat down they all came out it was 344 00:15:46,980 --> 00:15:44,620 actually probably around this time last 345 00:15:48,750 --> 00:15:46,990 year they all came out and they sat down 346 00:15:49,890 --> 00:15:48,760 and slapped down all these file folders 347 00:15:52,350 --> 00:15:49,900 and started going through all their 348 00:15:55,890 --> 00:15:52,360 research and dan and I just kind of sat 349 00:15:58,019 --> 00:15:55,900 there in awe of the work that they had 350 00:16:00,540 --> 00:15:58,029 done over that past year and in the 351 00:16:02,820 --> 00:16:00,550 threads that they had uncovered from the 352 00:16:04,560 --> 00:16:02,830 research that they had done you know the 353 00:16:07,230 --> 00:16:04,570 first the first episode was the episode 354 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:07,240 we were the most concerned about because 355 00:16:11,160 --> 00:16:09,610 it is kind of a bottle episode where we 356 00:16:12,960 --> 00:16:11,170 don't really leave the living room 357 00:16:15,270 --> 00:16:12,970 because there's so much information that 358 00:16:17,340 --> 00:16:15,280 has to be dumped which is really a 359 00:16:19,260 --> 00:16:17,350 testament to what Karl's been able to do 360 00:16:21,450 --> 00:16:19,270 and the way he was able to edit it 361 00:16:23,640 --> 00:16:21,460 because I think it it's it's necessary 362 00:16:26,130 --> 00:16:23,650 but it's not it's not boring like a lot 363 00:16:27,750 --> 00:16:26,140 of those types of episodes are there's 364 00:16:29,460 --> 00:16:27,760 just so much information coming at you 365 00:16:31,470 --> 00:16:29,470 and so many big threads that we have to 366 00:16:34,950 --> 00:16:31,480 follow throughout that second season 367 00:16:37,740 --> 00:16:34,960 that I think people are very happy we 368 00:16:40,220 --> 00:16:37,750 decided to chase because of what was 369 00:16:43,260 --> 00:16:40,230 left over from season one and there's a 370 00:16:49,530 --> 00:16:43,270 another how do you how is this funded 371 00:16:51,930 --> 00:16:49,540 I'm asking well I'm asking direct 372 00:16:56,130 --> 00:16:51,940 question the question is real how is it 373 00:16:58,140 --> 00:16:56,140 funded because the level of and you guys 374 00:17:02,070 --> 00:16:58,150 pulled it off in season one too as well 375 00:17:06,300 --> 00:17:02,080 it's very well shot and so but the level 376 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:06,310 of production this season is as good as 377 00:17:12,030 --> 00:17:08,170 any production company puts together 378 00:17:13,439 --> 00:17:12,040 with with huge budgets so the question 379 00:17:15,780 --> 00:17:13,449 is you know how is it fun do you guys 380 00:17:19,350 --> 00:17:15,790 have an unlimited budget are you guys 381 00:17:22,500 --> 00:17:19,360 Steven Spielberg is it like that or is 382 00:17:25,410 --> 00:17:22,510 it something else that would be amazing 383 00:17:27,120 --> 00:17:25,420 we wish we are entirely self-funded yeah 384 00:17:29,520 --> 00:17:27,130 we're as about as independent as you can 385 00:17:31,980 --> 00:17:29,530 get the people that you see on camera 386 00:17:34,920 --> 00:17:31,990 are the people who make Hellyer yeah and 387 00:17:37,500 --> 00:17:34,930 it's it's really I mean it's a it's a 388 00:17:39,480 --> 00:17:37,510 lot of Karl is amazing he's an amazing 389 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:39,490 director and he if you put a camera in 390 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:40,810 his hand he can pretty much make 391 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:42,970 anything look beautiful regardless of 392 00:17:48,570 --> 00:17:46,210 the camera but yeah we we it's 393 00:17:50,220 --> 00:17:48,580 self-funded we've invested sort of in 394 00:17:52,200 --> 00:17:50,230 the project because we believe in it so 395 00:17:54,510 --> 00:17:52,210 much and we believe in sharing it with 396 00:17:57,480 --> 00:17:54,520 the world and so it's really it's blood 397 00:18:00,180 --> 00:17:57,490 sweat and tears it's a lot of a lot of 398 00:18:01,860 --> 00:18:00,190 love kind of being poured into something 399 00:18:03,720 --> 00:18:01,870 people don't believe us when we say it 400 00:18:06,900 --> 00:18:03,730 but the first season was made for about 401 00:18:08,520 --> 00:18:06,910 $1,500 and that was $1,500 that we all 402 00:18:11,700 --> 00:18:08,530 just pooled together you know some of us 403 00:18:14,400 --> 00:18:11,710 paid for hotels and some of us paid for 404 00:18:16,320 --> 00:18:14,410 food and borrowed some camera borrowed 405 00:18:18,570 --> 00:18:16,330 cameras from friends who had cameras 406 00:18:20,460 --> 00:18:18,580 that kind of thing and then we were able 407 00:18:23,280 --> 00:18:20,470 to make a little bit of money off of the 408 00:18:24,840 --> 00:18:23,290 first season and put that towards the 409 00:18:27,330 --> 00:18:24,850 second season so one of the really cool 410 00:18:29,160 --> 00:18:27,340 things that you get to see because of 411 00:18:31,530 --> 00:18:29,170 how the second season was shot so much 412 00:18:34,140 --> 00:18:31,540 of it before season 1 dropped you 413 00:18:35,520 --> 00:18:34,150 noticed it like Oh in this episode the 414 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:35,530 audio sounds a little better 415 00:18:39,600 --> 00:18:37,810 well that's because Connor hit his 416 00:18:41,760 --> 00:18:39,610 credit card and he decided I'm gonna 417 00:18:44,100 --> 00:18:41,770 take the audio thing seriously and he 418 00:18:46,290 --> 00:18:44,110 got a nice audio mixer and then you see 419 00:18:47,850 --> 00:18:46,300 oh wow the the lens looks real nice and 420 00:18:50,490 --> 00:18:47,860 smooth and creamy in this one that's 421 00:18:52,470 --> 00:18:50,500 because Karl hit the credit card and he 422 00:18:54,540 --> 00:18:52,480 bought a nicer lens and so it really 423 00:18:56,580 --> 00:18:54,550 honestly is a labor of love that we've 424 00:18:58,620 --> 00:18:56,590 all invested a lot of time and energy 425 00:19:02,310 --> 00:18:58,630 into and I mean here's the other thing 426 00:19:04,350 --> 00:19:02,320 we release it for free and and we only 427 00:19:06,420 --> 00:19:04,360 do that because it's important for us 428 00:19:08,610 --> 00:19:06,430 that as many people see it as possible 429 00:19:11,910 --> 00:19:08,620 because we love it so much and it's 430 00:19:14,970 --> 00:19:11,920 important to the case because as people 431 00:19:17,820 --> 00:19:14,980 see in season two releasing Hellyer for 432 00:19:20,400 --> 00:19:17,830 free becomes part of the case because we 433 00:19:22,140 --> 00:19:20,410 get so many leads because it's open to 434 00:19:24,930 --> 00:19:22,150 such a wide massive audience so the 435 00:19:26,820 --> 00:19:24,940 entire thing is a labor of love it'd be 436 00:19:30,330 --> 00:19:26,830 great to have someone backup a dumptruck 437 00:19:33,300 --> 00:19:30,340 of money we love it but that's not as 438 00:19:35,220 --> 00:19:33,310 important as as the message so just so I 439 00:19:35,790 --> 00:19:35,230 want to understand what you're saying 440 00:19:39,510 --> 00:19:35,800 here that 441 00:19:41,670 --> 00:19:39,520 behind your SUV right with the four of 442 00:19:51,240 --> 00:19:41,680 you in it you guys don't have a catering 443 00:19:56,010 --> 00:19:51,250 truck and then yes yeah a lot of protein 444 00:19:59,790 --> 00:19:56,020 bars yeah now and I'm I'm sort of making 445 00:20:03,180 --> 00:19:59,800 fun but that's the point is it comes 446 00:20:06,060 --> 00:20:03,190 through I mean the the the dedication in 447 00:20:08,910 --> 00:20:06,070 this series is you know there's no 448 00:20:10,740 --> 00:20:08,920 outside influences there isn't somebody 449 00:20:14,550 --> 00:20:10,750 else from the network telling you guys 450 00:20:17,730 --> 00:20:14,560 what to do this is your experience this 451 00:20:19,080 --> 00:20:17,740 is your production and in the end you 452 00:20:21,990 --> 00:20:19,090 guys are going to be as honest as you 453 00:20:23,550 --> 00:20:22,000 can with everybody yeah I mean that was 454 00:20:25,710 --> 00:20:23,560 really really important to us I mean 455 00:20:27,060 --> 00:20:25,720 part of the reason the first season took 456 00:20:28,920 --> 00:20:27,070 so long to get outs because we were 457 00:20:30,660 --> 00:20:28,930 talking to networks we were talking to 458 00:20:32,670 --> 00:20:30,670 production companies to see what we 459 00:20:34,470 --> 00:20:32,680 could do and there was a lot of interest 460 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:34,480 I mean it's a really great story and so 461 00:20:37,410 --> 00:20:35,290 there's a lot of people who are 462 00:20:39,270 --> 00:20:37,420 interested in telling that story and 463 00:20:42,180 --> 00:20:39,280 making money from it but when it came 464 00:20:45,290 --> 00:20:42,190 down to it we realized most of these 465 00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:45,300 people wanted us to find goblins and 466 00:20:50,730 --> 00:20:48,250 would have made sure that we found god 467 00:20:54,930 --> 00:20:50,740 right picking up what I'm putting down 468 00:20:57,870 --> 00:20:54,940 and so the the goblins who really became 469 00:20:59,580 --> 00:20:57,880 more of a metaphor in Halle er because 470 00:21:00,960 --> 00:20:59,590 they weren't really the overall point of 471 00:21:03,660 --> 00:21:00,970 what we were doing in the journey that 472 00:21:05,070 --> 00:21:03,670 we were on and you know everything is 473 00:21:08,130 --> 00:21:05,080 shot and told in a really unconventional 474 00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:08,140 way Carl shot this in cinematic 475 00:21:13,680 --> 00:21:11,650 widescreen with a cinema lens it's it's 476 00:21:16,350 --> 00:21:13,690 not told in a traditional three act 477 00:21:18,540 --> 00:21:16,360 structure there was one story being told 478 00:21:21,300 --> 00:21:18,550 through 15 episodes now at this point 479 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:21,310 and that type of stuff was very hard to 480 00:21:27,780 --> 00:21:24,850 swallow for a lot of networks and so we 481 00:21:28,650 --> 00:21:27,790 just decided we'll screw it let's just 482 00:21:31,710 --> 00:21:28,660 do it ourselves 483 00:21:34,320 --> 00:21:31,720 and we'll see if if people like this 484 00:21:36,860 --> 00:21:34,330 we'll keep doing it and fortunately it 485 00:21:39,450 --> 00:21:36,870 seems like they do now something strange 486 00:21:41,130 --> 00:21:39,460 happened to me in both seasons I want to 487 00:21:43,230 --> 00:21:41,140 go back to season one we'll talk about 488 00:21:47,340 --> 00:21:43,240 season two when we come back from from 489 00:21:49,149 --> 00:21:47,350 the break but it provoked some pretty 490 00:21:52,779 --> 00:21:49,159 strange dreams 491 00:21:54,879 --> 00:21:52,789 around the church house in did you guys 492 00:21:56,950 --> 00:21:54,889 have the crap scared out of you did you 493 00:22:01,269 --> 00:21:56,960 guys have some pretty pretty nutty 494 00:22:03,190 --> 00:22:01,279 dreams and because of not only the 495 00:22:06,009 --> 00:22:03,200 subjects that you got some of it is 496 00:22:09,249 --> 00:22:06,019 pretty intense but you're also out there 497 00:22:12,909 --> 00:22:09,259 doing this on location it had to affect 498 00:22:15,849 --> 00:22:12,919 you emotionally didn't it yeah I think 499 00:22:17,950 --> 00:22:15,859 all of us have had bouts of strange 500 00:22:21,430 --> 00:22:17,960 dreams and weird things happening in our 501 00:22:23,799 --> 00:22:21,440 homes and it's that was absolutely and 502 00:22:27,129 --> 00:22:23,809 it's you're right it is it's incredibly 503 00:22:28,899 --> 00:22:27,139 emotionally taxing to a point so yeah I 504 00:22:31,239 --> 00:22:28,909 mean I can speak for myself I definitely 505 00:22:32,919 --> 00:22:31,249 have had and consistently still have 506 00:22:34,389 --> 00:22:32,929 really weird dreams around it and I know 507 00:22:36,219 --> 00:22:34,399 I know you're not the only one to have 508 00:22:37,810 --> 00:22:36,229 experienced that too I mean every day we 509 00:22:39,310 --> 00:22:37,820 get messages from people talking about 510 00:22:42,310 --> 00:22:39,320 the weird dreams that they've had after 511 00:22:46,089 --> 00:22:42,320 Helier and I think that's a side effect 512 00:22:48,430 --> 00:22:46,099 of what Helier is it's a very strange 513 00:22:50,979 --> 00:22:48,440 project with very strange energy around 514 00:22:53,349 --> 00:22:50,989 it and it does affect the viewers there 515 00:22:56,019 --> 00:22:53,359 was a couple of points last year during 516 00:22:58,899 --> 00:22:56,029 a healthier season one or you know I 517 00:23:02,799 --> 00:22:58,909 watched it like three times and I made 518 00:23:05,139 --> 00:23:02,809 the mistake of binging right autumn way 519 00:23:08,619 --> 00:23:05,149 and falling asleep in the middle of an 520 00:23:12,070 --> 00:23:08,629 episode oh no right and you've got that 521 00:23:17,139 --> 00:23:12,080 so playing in the background and having 522 00:23:22,389 --> 00:23:17,149 that influence your REM sleep you know 523 00:23:25,299 --> 00:23:22,399 and you wake up and I feel strange right 524 00:23:26,889 --> 00:23:25,309 and and but that's my experience I can 525 00:23:29,259 --> 00:23:26,899 only imagine what you guys were going 526 00:23:30,249 --> 00:23:29,269 through while you were playing this out 527 00:23:33,129 --> 00:23:30,259 in real life 528 00:23:35,169 --> 00:23:33,139 oh yeah for me personally there are 529 00:23:37,389 --> 00:23:35,179 certain locations in the first season 530 00:23:39,759 --> 00:23:37,399 that still I dream about all the time 531 00:23:42,580 --> 00:23:39,769 some like locations that became like the 532 00:23:44,469 --> 00:23:42,590 gas station which is a really kind of 533 00:23:47,289 --> 00:23:44,479 centralized point in the first season 534 00:23:50,529 --> 00:23:47,299 it's a gas station which was made the 535 00:23:51,849 --> 00:23:50,539 major hub of Hellyer and it's it has 536 00:23:53,169 --> 00:23:51,859 become a place that kind of pops up in 537 00:23:54,789 --> 00:23:53,179 my dreams often but you're right it does 538 00:23:56,889 --> 00:23:54,799 leave you with a very strange weird 539 00:23:57,880 --> 00:23:56,899 feeling I had dreams about the the 540 00:24:00,760 --> 00:23:57,890 tunnel 541 00:24:02,650 --> 00:24:00,770 Tunnel yeah climax takes it yes and I 542 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:02,660 had dreams about that place a lot thank 543 00:24:06,850 --> 00:24:02,930 you 544 00:24:08,440 --> 00:24:06,860 now what about what we're gonna take a 545 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:08,450 break right here and we'll come back and 546 00:24:14,290 --> 00:24:10,850 and start with season two but what about 547 00:24:16,750 --> 00:24:14,300 the people of Hellyer are they or are 548 00:24:20,140 --> 00:24:16,760 they okay with this what is tourism like 549 00:24:23,920 --> 00:24:20,150 I don't think there's much tourism to 550 00:24:25,900 --> 00:24:23,930 speak of and Helier and the response is 551 00:24:28,000 --> 00:24:25,910 mixed I mean here's the thing people 552 00:24:30,100 --> 00:24:28,010 from Helier see a bunch of who they 553 00:24:32,050 --> 00:24:30,110 assume our city slicker kids who stick 554 00:24:33,760 --> 00:24:32,060 out like a sore thumb with a lot of 555 00:24:36,370 --> 00:24:33,770 expensive camera equipment and they 556 00:24:37,840 --> 00:24:36,380 wonder what we're there to exploit and I 557 00:24:40,120 --> 00:24:37,850 know that there have been other other 558 00:24:41,410 --> 00:24:40,130 television series particularly even 559 00:24:42,940 --> 00:24:41,420 paranormal television series that have 560 00:24:45,640 --> 00:24:42,950 come there and they've just kind of made 561 00:24:46,990 --> 00:24:45,650 these people feel and look stupid and so 562 00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:47,000 I think they people were pretty 563 00:24:51,910 --> 00:24:49,490 standoffish about it and the thing you 564 00:24:53,950 --> 00:24:51,920 have to remember is people live in a 565 00:24:56,380 --> 00:24:53,960 town like Helier because they couldn't 566 00:24:59,320 --> 00:24:56,390 get out or because they they don't want 567 00:25:02,080 --> 00:24:59,330 to be found and so people with with 568 00:25:04,210 --> 00:25:02,090 cameras roaming around they're not 569 00:25:06,370 --> 00:25:04,220 really super into it so we've had a mix 570 00:25:08,470 --> 00:25:06,380 of responses there's there's our people 571 00:25:09,580 --> 00:25:08,480 who are like this is fantastic I'm glad 572 00:25:10,840 --> 00:25:09,590 you guys are shining light out of this 573 00:25:13,270 --> 00:25:10,850 and then there's people who are like 574 00:25:15,340 --> 00:25:13,280 stay out Hellyer don't ever come back 575 00:25:18,580 --> 00:25:15,350 around here again and that's just kind 576 00:25:24,660 --> 00:25:18,590 of the nature of it and the the original 577 00:25:28,360 --> 00:25:24,670 house the street right right have you 578 00:25:31,330 --> 00:25:28,370 you know what I mean they must feel a 579 00:25:34,080 --> 00:25:31,340 little bit strange about their 580 00:25:36,910 --> 00:25:34,090 neighborhood being presented this way oh 581 00:25:39,100 --> 00:25:36,920 for sure yeah and one of the things you 582 00:25:40,930 --> 00:25:39,110 know when it at the end of the day one 583 00:25:43,540 --> 00:25:40,940 of the last passes that we do and we're 584 00:25:46,390 --> 00:25:43,550 editing is all of us sit down and we 585 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:46,400 look at what needs to be kept a secret 586 00:25:51,610 --> 00:25:49,450 and what or what needs to be blurred and 587 00:25:53,950 --> 00:25:51,620 really I mean at the end of the day that 588 00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:53,960 the one thing that is sort of the the 589 00:25:58,440 --> 00:25:55,730 center point for all of it when we're 590 00:26:01,300 --> 00:25:58,450 doing that is we don't ever want to 591 00:26:02,860 --> 00:26:01,310 invade someone's personal space we don't 592 00:26:04,630 --> 00:26:02,870 ever want to put someone in a position 593 00:26:06,850 --> 00:26:04,640 that they don't want to be in so we're 594 00:26:09,760 --> 00:26:06,860 always really we attempt to be very 595 00:26:11,090 --> 00:26:09,770 careful about what we share what we show 596 00:26:13,130 --> 00:26:11,100 and what we don't and 597 00:26:15,020 --> 00:26:13,140 so I always want to help not hurt 598 00:26:16,370 --> 00:26:15,030 exactly yeah with any of our projects no 599 00:26:18,610 --> 00:26:16,380 matter what it is yeah I want to help 600 00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:18,620 not hurt yeah I did notice that 601 00:26:23,690 --> 00:26:21,570 disclaimer that you guys have there you 602 00:26:26,020 --> 00:26:23,700 know you need to respect others out 603 00:26:30,020 --> 00:26:26,030 there in their property because you guys 604 00:26:31,970 --> 00:26:30,030 you guys don't hold back and when we 605 00:26:34,039 --> 00:26:31,980 come back let's let's start talking 606 00:26:39,169 --> 00:26:34,049 about Hell your season 2 absolutely 607 00:26:40,520 --> 00:26:39,179 extraordinary it have the question I 608 00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:40,530 have is this and you can answer this 609 00:26:46,279 --> 00:26:44,090 quickly you did 10 episodes for season 2 610 00:26:49,159 --> 00:26:46,289 certainly you have the same amount of 611 00:26:49,580 --> 00:26:49,169 material for season 1 could you have 612 00:26:52,610 --> 00:26:49,590 done 613 00:26:55,070 --> 00:26:52,620 four extra episodes for season one and 614 00:26:58,010 --> 00:26:55,080 is there stuff that we may see in the 615 00:26:59,450 --> 00:26:58,020 future from season one season one 616 00:27:01,580 --> 00:26:59,460 happened over the course of two weeks 617 00:27:03,710 --> 00:27:01,590 and so there really wasn't much left 618 00:27:05,720 --> 00:27:03,720 over season 2 happened over the course 619 00:27:07,490 --> 00:27:05,730 of a year and there's so much stuff on 620 00:27:09,080 --> 00:27:07,500 the cutting room floor like when Carl 621 00:27:12,020 --> 00:27:09,090 said he was only gonna do ten episodes I 622 00:27:14,090 --> 00:27:12,030 laughed at him I was like no way and I 623 00:27:15,919 --> 00:27:14,100 think that's a testament to how fast the 624 00:27:17,210 --> 00:27:15,929 season moves because once you sit down 625 00:27:19,700 --> 00:27:17,220 for season two it's just kind of boom 626 00:27:20,930 --> 00:27:19,710 boom boom boom it just goes but there is 627 00:27:23,870 --> 00:27:20,940 a lot of stuff on the cutting room floor 628 00:27:26,720 --> 00:27:23,880 and you never know when that'll get used 629 00:27:28,940 --> 00:27:26,730 yeah there was a again there's gonna be 630 00:27:30,710 --> 00:27:28,950 no spoilers tonight for anybody out 631 00:27:32,360 --> 00:27:30,720 there that thinks that we're gonna do 632 00:27:34,250 --> 00:27:32,370 that to you we're not going to do that 633 00:27:37,399 --> 00:27:34,260 but I'm gonna give one spoiler away 634 00:27:43,580 --> 00:27:37,409 which is which is this and it's 635 00:27:46,010 --> 00:27:43,590 extraordinary in episode 10 it's right 636 00:27:48,860 --> 00:27:46,020 there flashes up on the screen September 637 00:27:52,100 --> 00:27:48,870 16th or September 19th 2019 638 00:27:53,659 --> 00:27:52,110 Connor blah blah blah blah blah and I'm 639 00:27:59,390 --> 00:27:53,669 sitting here and I'm going it's only 640 00:28:02,419 --> 00:27:59,400 December yeah right that is a great part 641 00:28:05,270 --> 00:28:02,429 this is about as fresh of a TV series as 642 00:28:07,370 --> 00:28:05,280 you can have right yeah once people have 643 00:28:09,470 --> 00:28:07,380 finished Helier 2 they're probably only 644 00:28:11,149 --> 00:28:09,480 a month behind where we are which wasn't 645 00:28:13,399 --> 00:28:11,159 the case in season one so people we've 646 00:28:15,260 --> 00:28:13,409 basically give people the tools they can 647 00:28:17,690 --> 00:28:15,270 do their own investigations if they want 648 00:28:19,520 --> 00:28:17,700 they are right where we are when they 649 00:28:22,280 --> 00:28:19,530 finish let's take our break right here 650 00:28:24,710 --> 00:28:22,290 tonight Greg and Dana Newkirk hell your 651 00:28:26,270 --> 00:28:24,720 season two is the subject 652 00:28:28,340 --> 00:28:26,280 pick up right where we're leaving off 653 00:28:29,330 --> 00:28:28,350 after this short break stay with us I'm 654 00:28:31,070 --> 00:28:29,340 yours Jimmy Church 655 00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:31,080 this is fade to black and the 656 00:28:36,050 --> 00:28:34,410 GameChanger network and kgr a the planet 657 00:28:55,450 --> 00:28:36,060 we'll be right back stay with us 658 00:29:01,930 --> 00:28:58,299 all right welcome back fade to black 659 00:29:05,230 --> 00:29:01,940 tonight Hellyer to season two of Hellyer 660 00:29:08,409 --> 00:29:05,240 with Greg and Dana Newkirk you can go to 661 00:29:11,320 --> 00:29:08,419 Amazon Prime it is playing free there if 662 00:29:13,180 --> 00:29:11,330 you go to their hell your TV website all 663 00:29:15,010 --> 00:29:13,190 the links for Amazon are right there in 664 00:29:17,230 --> 00:29:15,020 all of the complete episodes and you can 665 00:29:19,330 --> 00:29:17,240 go and check it out I would recommend 666 00:29:22,570 --> 00:29:19,340 everybody if you can if you haven't seen 667 00:29:26,409 --> 00:29:22,580 it watch Hell your first and then roll 668 00:29:28,659 --> 00:29:26,419 into hell your - and now let's let's 669 00:29:31,990 --> 00:29:28,669 actually talk about a couple of things 670 00:29:36,340 --> 00:29:32,000 and first I want to talk about Indrid 671 00:29:40,419 --> 00:29:36,350 and entry cold because this is something 672 00:29:45,159 --> 00:29:40,429 that not only is from it's all of the 673 00:29:48,279 --> 00:29:45,169 hell year story but it's a foundation 674 00:29:53,409 --> 00:29:48,289 certainly for a Hellyer - who is Indrid 675 00:29:55,510 --> 00:29:53,419 cold Indrid cold is he was an 676 00:29:57,789 --> 00:29:55,520 extraterrestrial entity that appeared to 677 00:30:01,750 --> 00:29:57,799 woody derenberger around the same time 678 00:30:03,909 --> 00:30:01,760 as the 1967 Mothman flap in Point 679 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:03,919 Pleasant West Virginia and he appeared 680 00:30:09,430 --> 00:30:07,370 to woody on the side of a highway and we 681 00:30:12,610 --> 00:30:09,440 said you know I'm from the planet laniel 682 00:30:15,039 --> 00:30:12,620 os-- and I want to tell you about where 683 00:30:17,409 --> 00:30:15,049 I've been he took woody on adventures 684 00:30:20,049 --> 00:30:17,419 and his ship and became friends with him 685 00:30:21,539 --> 00:30:20,059 and that figure particularly people who 686 00:30:23,980 --> 00:30:21,549 are fans of the Mothman Prophecies 687 00:30:26,019 --> 00:30:23,990 Indrid cold became a really central 688 00:30:30,700 --> 00:30:26,029 figure in a lot of what happened in that 689 00:30:33,039 --> 00:30:30,710 case and we kind of accidentally 690 00:30:35,799 --> 00:30:33,049 stumbled onto how he was connected to 691 00:30:38,470 --> 00:30:35,809 the Heller case and one of the emails 692 00:30:41,500 --> 00:30:38,480 that I had received from a man who 693 00:30:43,330 --> 00:30:41,510 called himself Terry wrist who only 694 00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:43,340 really the only real references to that 695 00:30:47,620 --> 00:30:46,730 name appear in the back the the appendix 696 00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:47,630 of a book called 697 00:30:52,060 --> 00:30:49,850 secret cipher of the utha knots by Allan 698 00:30:54,730 --> 00:30:52,070 Greenfield which is a very esoteric book 699 00:30:58,090 --> 00:30:54,740 about using magic rituals to summon and 700 00:30:59,590 --> 00:30:58,100 repel alien entities this guy terry has 701 00:31:02,769 --> 00:30:59,600 an interview where he talks about 702 00:31:06,970 --> 00:31:02,779 finding Indrid cold while he was hiding 703 00:31:08,169 --> 00:31:06,980 out in a town in Kentucky and we didn't 704 00:31:09,010 --> 00:31:08,179 realize that there was a reference to 705 00:31:10,680 --> 00:31:09,020 that in the 706 00:31:14,020 --> 00:31:10,690 initial emails that were sent to me 707 00:31:16,030 --> 00:31:14,030 until we went to Helier and after that 708 00:31:19,480 --> 00:31:16,040 Android cold became a very central part 709 00:31:22,660 --> 00:31:19,490 of our case as well now the the UFO the 710 00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:22,670 alien the et contact side of this you 711 00:31:26,740 --> 00:31:24,890 guys well there's always been a general 712 00:31:30,190 --> 00:31:26,750 interest for the both of you with the 713 00:31:33,100 --> 00:31:30,200 subject of UFOs but by and large you 714 00:31:35,770 --> 00:31:33,110 guys are more about paranormal and and 715 00:31:39,570 --> 00:31:35,780 magic and ghosts and in that side of 716 00:31:43,630 --> 00:31:39,580 things and the UFO subject could not 717 00:31:46,360 --> 00:31:43,640 could not how do I say get away from 718 00:31:49,000 --> 00:31:46,370 what Hellyer was it kept that that 719 00:31:51,940 --> 00:31:49,010 subject kept reappearing over and over 720 00:31:53,919 --> 00:31:51,950 again didn't it yeah I mean you know 721 00:31:56,500 --> 00:31:53,929 again like you you'd mention kind of our 722 00:31:57,820 --> 00:31:56,510 wheelhouse was really ghosts and the 723 00:32:01,090 --> 00:31:57,830 apparent like things that you would kind 724 00:32:04,930 --> 00:32:01,100 of classifies the paranormal so you know 725 00:32:08,020 --> 00:32:04,940 having all of these UFO ties linking 726 00:32:09,700 --> 00:32:08,030 themselves to Helier it it became 727 00:32:12,430 --> 00:32:09,710 apparent that there was no way that we 728 00:32:14,620 --> 00:32:12,440 were going to get away from it so we we 729 00:32:16,540 --> 00:32:14,630 at that point realized that we just had 730 00:32:18,700 --> 00:32:16,550 to kind of fully embrace it and embrace 731 00:32:20,799 --> 00:32:18,710 that community and investigating that 732 00:32:25,780 --> 00:32:20,809 way we learned a lot about UFOs in a 733 00:32:28,570 --> 00:32:25,790 very short matter and then there is the 734 00:32:31,320 --> 00:32:28,580 whole John keel and this is this is what 735 00:32:35,049 --> 00:32:31,330 I find so fascinating about Helier is 736 00:32:35,980 --> 00:32:35,059 that whatever you take whether it's 737 00:32:38,680 --> 00:32:35,990 Allen Greenfield 738 00:32:41,980 --> 00:32:38,690 right and then the Terry wrist side of 739 00:32:46,900 --> 00:32:41,990 things and and Christie and Ingrid and 740 00:32:49,990 --> 00:32:46,910 and John keel and and and it continues 741 00:32:52,600 --> 00:32:50,000 and it all goes back to you guys 742 00:32:54,669 --> 00:32:52,610 wouldn't be doing any of this if wasn't 743 00:32:56,890 --> 00:32:54,679 the synchronicities coming off of that 744 00:33:00,070 --> 00:32:56,900 first letter that first email that you 745 00:33:04,060 --> 00:33:00,080 got Greg mm-hmm I mean that's the thing 746 00:33:07,030 --> 00:33:04,070 all of it comes back to the the first 747 00:33:09,700 --> 00:33:07,040 emails and everything stretches out it's 748 00:33:11,290 --> 00:33:09,710 it's funny even in season two as people 749 00:33:13,660 --> 00:33:11,300 will see as they as they watch 750 00:33:16,299 --> 00:33:13,670 there are things hidden in those emails 751 00:33:18,430 --> 00:33:16,309 that we didn't even pick up on until the 752 00:33:21,100 --> 00:33:18,440 second season so it's almost like 753 00:33:22,810 --> 00:33:21,110 there's time-released clues in these 754 00:33:25,269 --> 00:33:22,820 correspondences 755 00:33:28,690 --> 00:33:25,279 that give us what we need when we need 756 00:33:30,999 --> 00:33:28,700 them and they're undeniable like they're 757 00:33:32,409 --> 00:33:31,009 just undeniable and they're strange and 758 00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:32,419 they've sent us in these directions 759 00:33:36,879 --> 00:33:35,210 where we're reading books we never would 760 00:33:39,490 --> 00:33:36,889 have given a second thought you know 761 00:33:42,610 --> 00:33:39,500 even five years ago we've learned more 762 00:33:45,519 --> 00:33:42,620 about chasing the phenomena in the last 763 00:33:46,720 --> 00:33:45,529 two years than we ever have in the rest 764 00:33:48,639 --> 00:33:46,730 of our lives and I think I can speak 765 00:33:49,269 --> 00:33:48,649 pretty confidently for the rest of the 766 00:33:53,320 --> 00:33:49,279 group too 767 00:33:56,139 --> 00:33:53,330 that these it's so strange that a couple 768 00:33:57,879 --> 00:33:56,149 of emails have been so life-changing for 769 00:33:59,919 --> 00:33:57,889 the group of us they've really changed 770 00:34:03,190 --> 00:33:59,929 the direction and all of the research 771 00:34:04,930 --> 00:34:03,200 that we've done and added so much to the 772 00:34:08,950 --> 00:34:04,940 way that we even look at paranormal 773 00:34:11,919 --> 00:34:08,960 phenomena just from a few emails now I'm 774 00:34:14,889 --> 00:34:11,929 gonna throw this over to Dana in in hell 775 00:34:18,040 --> 00:34:14,899 your season one you guys at the 776 00:34:23,649 --> 00:34:18,050 beginning of the season are innocent 777 00:34:27,280 --> 00:34:23,659 little babes in the woods right and by 778 00:34:31,300 --> 00:34:27,290 the middle of season two I don't know 779 00:34:35,290 --> 00:34:31,310 what the f-bomb count is oh yeah I don't 780 00:34:38,500 --> 00:34:35,300 know how many WTF moments you guys have 781 00:34:41,230 --> 00:34:38,510 when you are looking at each other but 782 00:34:44,770 --> 00:34:41,240 it does tend to spin out of control 783 00:34:48,790 --> 00:34:44,780 how many WTF moments did you guys end up 784 00:34:51,190 --> 00:34:48,800 having I mean real ones I so many of 785 00:34:54,159 --> 00:34:51,200 them so many and it's it was funny too 786 00:34:57,190 --> 00:34:54,169 because when one of the jokes that we 787 00:34:58,569 --> 00:34:57,200 kind of were passing around was looking 788 00:34:59,950 --> 00:34:58,579 back at the first season of hell year 789 00:35:01,960 --> 00:34:59,960 when we were shooting the second season 790 00:35:05,859 --> 00:35:01,970 and thinking about how how quate all of 791 00:35:07,839 --> 00:35:05,869 this was how you know how much things 792 00:35:10,950 --> 00:35:07,849 have changed but yeah there were so many 793 00:35:13,150 --> 00:35:10,960 moments like legitimately 794 00:35:17,140 --> 00:35:13,160 earth-shattering moments the second 795 00:35:20,230 --> 00:35:17,150 season that all of my swearing my 796 00:35:23,349 --> 00:35:20,240 trucker mouth definitely got it got a 797 00:35:26,079 --> 00:35:23,359 little out of control we all quit that's 798 00:35:28,859 --> 00:35:26,089 very every single one of us at certain 799 00:35:31,569 --> 00:35:28,869 points of shooting season two all quit 800 00:35:34,290 --> 00:35:31,579 and then had to be kind of coaxed back 801 00:35:38,640 --> 00:35:34,300 into the fall well because 802 00:35:41,580 --> 00:35:38,650 quite honestly it got very very very 803 00:35:43,980 --> 00:35:41,590 intense not only the show but the 804 00:35:47,130 --> 00:35:43,990 subject matter where you're talking 805 00:35:49,890 --> 00:35:47,140 about you know three-toed green Goblin's 806 00:35:55,080 --> 00:35:49,900 hiding in caves right in season one 807 00:35:57,420 --> 00:35:55,090 that's cute that's why let's go chase 808 00:35:57,990 --> 00:35:57,430 goblins okay and and it was a great 809 00:36:02,720 --> 00:35:58,000 journey 810 00:36:07,200 --> 00:36:02,730 now the subjects that started to unfold 811 00:36:09,930 --> 00:36:07,210 in season two would make anybody 812 00:36:12,420 --> 00:36:09,940 uncomfortable I don't care how season do 813 00:36:15,900 --> 00:36:12,430 you are you started to go down some 814 00:36:23,160 --> 00:36:15,910 roads that are pretty creepy and crawly 815 00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:23,170 and rated-r right yeah absolutely I mean 816 00:36:29,820 --> 00:36:26,650 I think even just thinking about being 817 00:36:32,310 --> 00:36:29,830 in Helier and how kind of uncomfortable 818 00:36:35,100 --> 00:36:32,320 everyone was it's it pales in comparison 819 00:36:37,410 --> 00:36:35,110 to some of the moments that we have in 820 00:36:40,200 --> 00:36:37,420 the second season where we're you're 821 00:36:42,570 --> 00:36:40,210 just your little legitimately frightened 822 00:36:43,830 --> 00:36:42,580 like you just it to process what you're 823 00:36:45,030 --> 00:36:43,840 going through in those moments it's 824 00:36:46,680 --> 00:36:45,040 almost like you kind of have to have an 825 00:36:48,450 --> 00:36:46,690 out-of-body experience just to sort of 826 00:36:50,610 --> 00:36:48,460 get through a lot of them and I think 827 00:36:52,680 --> 00:36:50,620 there are certain moments throughout the 828 00:36:55,140 --> 00:36:52,690 second season where I think specifically 829 00:36:57,840 --> 00:36:55,150 calling her and I wear our expressions 830 00:36:59,310 --> 00:36:57,850 pretty pretty evidently on her faces I 831 00:37:01,080 --> 00:36:59,320 think Connors journey is one of my 832 00:37:03,450 --> 00:37:01,090 favorites in the second season because I 833 00:37:05,940 --> 00:37:03,460 mean he says pretty much at the top of 834 00:37:06,330 --> 00:37:05,950 season two you know this this isn't fun 835 00:37:09,150 --> 00:37:06,340 anymore 836 00:37:11,970 --> 00:37:09,160 he didn't want to chase the leads that 837 00:37:13,560 --> 00:37:11,980 we're being delivered to us because they 838 00:37:15,960 --> 00:37:13,570 weren't fun but he also knew that we had 839 00:37:18,660 --> 00:37:15,970 to and that's sort of where all of our 840 00:37:20,400 --> 00:37:18,670 heads were at we were very reluctant to 841 00:37:25,080 --> 00:37:20,410 follow the threads that were being 842 00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:25,090 handed to us I'm glad we did now but man 843 00:37:33,690 --> 00:37:31,090 alive I know I was reluctant and I hope 844 00:37:35,070 --> 00:37:33,700 Connor is listening right now because I 845 00:37:37,590 --> 00:37:35,080 want to say this 846 00:37:39,420 --> 00:37:37,600 you two guys are seasoned you've been 847 00:37:42,060 --> 00:37:39,430 out there doing this for a while you 848 00:37:44,700 --> 00:37:42,070 know what you know possibly to expect 849 00:37:46,450 --> 00:37:44,710 and how to handle things Karl is pretty 850 00:37:49,240 --> 00:37:46,460 strong he's a robust 851 00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:49,250 guy he looks you know that you know he 852 00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:52,970 looks manly he's intimidating poor 853 00:38:02,170 --> 00:37:57,290 Connor nice guy funny guy great sense of 854 00:38:05,020 --> 00:38:02,180 humor open mind and he Despoiler alert 855 00:38:07,180 --> 00:38:05,030 right he he reaches a point where in 856 00:38:10,210 --> 00:38:07,190 Somerset we're gonna talk about that now 857 00:38:13,690 --> 00:38:10,220 he's like man I gotta blow this town III 858 00:38:15,849 --> 00:38:13,700 can't be here anymore and I felt sucked 859 00:38:19,030 --> 00:38:15,859 because that was one of the most honest 860 00:38:20,980 --> 00:38:19,040 things that one could say but you could 861 00:38:24,790 --> 00:38:20,990 see the look in his eyes right the the 862 00:38:27,240 --> 00:38:24,800 fun part in Connor left that got on a 863 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:27,250 bus and split didn't it 864 00:38:33,060 --> 00:38:29,410 Connor basically just had like a 865 00:38:36,849 --> 00:38:33,070 10-episode long nervous breakdown 866 00:38:38,740 --> 00:38:36,859 everyone candlelight and Connor stress 867 00:38:40,570 --> 00:38:38,750 but I comes out on the other side a 868 00:38:42,070 --> 00:38:40,580 stronger person I think we all did we 869 00:38:44,589 --> 00:38:42,080 all came out stronger people that's the 870 00:38:47,560 --> 00:38:44,599 cool thing I think too about like this 871 00:38:48,910 --> 00:38:47,570 group of people is when when will and 872 00:38:51,070 --> 00:38:48,920 like Greg had mentioned you know we had 873 00:38:53,320 --> 00:38:51,080 each quits that separate points during 874 00:38:55,839 --> 00:38:53,330 the course of this this part of the 875 00:38:58,839 --> 00:38:55,849 investigation I think the nice thing 876 00:39:01,510 --> 00:38:58,849 about it is that when someone reaches a 877 00:39:03,520 --> 00:39:01,520 breaking point there's usually a couple 878 00:39:06,660 --> 00:39:03,530 people there who can kind of help that 879 00:39:09,849 --> 00:39:06,670 person put it back into context and so 880 00:39:11,260 --> 00:39:09,859 it's nice it's a nice kind of it's a 881 00:39:13,420 --> 00:39:11,270 nice group of people that are all 882 00:39:15,099 --> 00:39:13,430 different and can kind of we deal each 883 00:39:16,329 --> 00:39:15,109 other back and walk walk each other back 884 00:39:18,010 --> 00:39:16,339 off the ledge when you get to that 885 00:39:19,089 --> 00:39:18,020 moment where you just want literally 886 00:39:22,210 --> 00:39:19,099 wanting to get in your car drive away 887 00:39:23,859 --> 00:39:22,220 well let's talk about Somerset because 888 00:39:26,410 --> 00:39:23,869 at that moment 889 00:39:28,300 --> 00:39:26,420 Connor literally looks around the town 890 00:39:32,650 --> 00:39:28,310 you guys are on the street he's like man 891 00:39:34,359 --> 00:39:32,660 I I just don't want to be here how and I 892 00:39:39,430 --> 00:39:34,369 was I was like Connor I'm right with you 893 00:39:43,089 --> 00:39:39,440 bro I saw the last scene I'm with you 894 00:39:44,920 --> 00:39:43,099 how are the people of Somerset dealing 895 00:39:47,349 --> 00:39:44,930 with this because you're not you're not 896 00:39:49,329 --> 00:39:47,359 covering up the name Somerset here you 897 00:39:53,970 --> 00:39:49,339 guys didn't leap that out that's not a 898 00:39:57,550 --> 00:39:53,980 blurred image Somerset is named yeah 899 00:39:59,700 --> 00:39:57,560 specific I mean there's there's that was 900 00:40:01,260 --> 00:39:59,710 part of the issue with making the 901 00:40:03,540 --> 00:40:01,270 project is there's a lot of stuff that 902 00:40:06,510 --> 00:40:03,550 normally we would have probably obscured 903 00:40:08,339 --> 00:40:06,520 or hidden but because of the the 904 00:40:11,010 --> 00:40:08,349 synchronicities that led us to these 905 00:40:13,020 --> 00:40:11,020 places to in order to tell the story 906 00:40:15,089 --> 00:40:13,030 properly that we just didn't really have 907 00:40:17,010 --> 00:40:15,099 an opportunity we had to show these 908 00:40:21,089 --> 00:40:17,020 things to show people why these places 909 00:40:22,680 --> 00:40:21,099 were important and we we really tried to 910 00:40:24,390 --> 00:40:22,690 walk a tightrope when it came to 911 00:40:26,730 --> 00:40:24,400 Somerset and some of the things that are 912 00:40:28,559 --> 00:40:26,740 told to us because part of the reason 913 00:40:30,630 --> 00:40:28,569 that we go to Somerset is because of a 914 00:40:33,120 --> 00:40:30,640 new batch of emails that came in that 915 00:40:35,220 --> 00:40:33,130 were extremely frightening extremely 916 00:40:37,109 --> 00:40:35,230 disturbing so much so that it would have 917 00:40:40,170 --> 00:40:37,119 been very easy for us to throw them into 918 00:40:43,290 --> 00:40:40,180 a crank folder and say well this is nuts 919 00:40:45,059 --> 00:40:43,300 but because those emails came in before 920 00:40:47,790 --> 00:40:45,069 the first season was released and they 921 00:40:48,930 --> 00:40:47,800 had specific keywords in them we really 922 00:40:50,670 --> 00:40:48,940 had no choice but to take them seriously 923 00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:50,680 we had to follow up on them and the 924 00:40:55,410 --> 00:40:53,290 timing of the the emails we haven't also 925 00:40:57,299 --> 00:40:55,420 we're really interesting the timing that 926 00:41:00,240 --> 00:40:57,309 when they came in they came in at a very 927 00:41:01,920 --> 00:41:00,250 specific time where it was it's just 928 00:41:03,870 --> 00:41:01,930 seemed obvious to us that somebody was 929 00:41:07,770 --> 00:41:03,880 watching what we were doing and watching 930 00:41:09,660 --> 00:41:07,780 where we were going and we we had to we 931 00:41:13,010 --> 00:41:09,670 had to follow up on them and so Somerset 932 00:41:16,289 --> 00:41:13,020 is another town in Kentucky that becomes 933 00:41:17,760 --> 00:41:16,299 very integral in this case because of 934 00:41:19,410 --> 00:41:17,770 what's being experienced there and 935 00:41:24,559 --> 00:41:19,420 because of these particular set of 936 00:41:28,980 --> 00:41:24,569 emails I don't really know how the town 937 00:41:32,579 --> 00:41:28,990 feels about it right now I don't have 938 00:41:34,710 --> 00:41:32,589 any plans to go there anytime soon I do 939 00:41:36,630 --> 00:41:34,720 know that they that one of the local 940 00:41:38,250 --> 00:41:36,640 bars one of the people that we interview 941 00:41:40,950 --> 00:41:38,260 who gives us a lot of leads in this 942 00:41:43,829 --> 00:41:40,960 particular area and it was actually the 943 00:41:46,670 --> 00:41:43,839 person who solidifies that we were right 944 00:41:50,579 --> 00:41:46,680 in taking these emails seriously Nate 945 00:41:52,559 --> 00:41:50,589 the the bar that he co-owns they 946 00:41:55,079 --> 00:41:52,569 screamed like the first a couple 947 00:41:56,579 --> 00:41:55,089 episodes I think a few days ago so there 948 00:41:58,579 --> 00:41:56,589 are at least people there who are saying 949 00:42:02,640 --> 00:41:58,589 I'm glad someone's talking about this 950 00:42:06,390 --> 00:42:02,650 and and they're glad that we approached 951 00:42:09,870 --> 00:42:06,400 it in such a way as to not it would be 952 00:42:12,329 --> 00:42:09,880 very easy for us just to start a new 953 00:42:13,109 --> 00:42:12,339 satanic panic with some of the things 954 00:42:15,089 --> 00:42:13,119 that worse 955 00:42:17,999 --> 00:42:15,099 to us and told to us in a lot of these 956 00:42:21,210 --> 00:42:18,009 interviews but we also know what being 957 00:42:22,980 --> 00:42:21,220 on the opposite end of that is like you 958 00:42:25,380 --> 00:42:22,990 know Dana's uh Dana's a wit she's a 959 00:42:26,940 --> 00:42:25,390 practicing witch people like her because 960 00:42:28,589 --> 00:42:26,950 of the satanic panic that was started in 961 00:42:30,299 --> 00:42:28,599 the 80s a lot of these people had their 962 00:42:32,370 --> 00:42:30,309 lives ruined people went to jail for 963 00:42:35,249 --> 00:42:32,380 things that never happened so we were 964 00:42:38,190 --> 00:42:35,259 very careful in how we presented this 965 00:42:40,170 --> 00:42:38,200 information to not try and start that 966 00:42:41,599 --> 00:42:40,180 and to say well you know maybe some of 967 00:42:43,890 --> 00:42:41,609 these things that people were seeing 968 00:42:46,859 --> 00:42:43,900 people only have the capability to 969 00:42:48,809 --> 00:42:46,869 explain the things that they've seen in 970 00:42:51,839 --> 00:42:48,819 terms that they're familiar with so 971 00:42:54,150 --> 00:42:51,849 maybe somebody saw a pagan ritual and 972 00:42:57,390 --> 00:42:54,160 they just assumed well that's satanic or 973 00:42:58,829 --> 00:42:57,400 they're doing this or that we had to 974 00:43:00,690 --> 00:42:58,839 make sure that we showed both sides of 975 00:43:03,870 --> 00:43:00,700 that story even though they're kind of 976 00:43:05,640 --> 00:43:03,880 scary and you know people can do their 977 00:43:07,289 --> 00:43:05,650 own research they can look up there's a 978 00:43:10,289 --> 00:43:07,299 lot of really weird things about this 979 00:43:11,999 --> 00:43:10,299 town Somerset that they can find very 980 00:43:13,680 --> 00:43:12,009 easily with a little bit of googling and 981 00:43:16,589 --> 00:43:13,690 they can they can make up their own 982 00:43:19,170 --> 00:43:16,599 minds now their word and I'm 983 00:43:23,640 --> 00:43:19,180 specifically talking about the scene 984 00:43:28,049 --> 00:43:23,650 with Nate in his rehearsal studio right 985 00:43:33,779 --> 00:43:28,059 he looks like a musician yes and cuz I 986 00:43:37,289 --> 00:43:33,789 saw the guitars so so that scene was 987 00:43:40,499 --> 00:43:37,299 about as intense as anything that I've 988 00:43:42,779 --> 00:43:40,509 I've ever seen from anybody that was 989 00:43:45,930 --> 00:43:42,789 that was the real deal as far as 990 00:43:48,900 --> 00:43:45,940 intensity goes but when you start 991 00:43:51,269 --> 00:43:48,910 hearing Dane I'm going to throw this to 992 00:43:54,390 --> 00:43:51,279 you when you start hearing things like 993 00:43:57,779 --> 00:43:54,400 satanic rituals or pedophilia or capes 994 00:44:01,410 --> 00:43:57,789 and and and gowns and and underground 995 00:44:03,749 --> 00:44:01,420 and UFOs and little green and and all of 996 00:44:06,150 --> 00:44:03,759 this is coming at you from somebody 997 00:44:08,849 --> 00:44:06,160 that's saying I live here I know people 998 00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:08,859 I know what's going on and this is 999 00:44:13,799 --> 00:44:11,650 what's happening Bam Bam Bam Bam Bam 1000 00:44:15,900 --> 00:44:13,809 what goes through your head I remember 1001 00:44:17,839 --> 00:44:15,910 seeing Craig's face a couple of times in 1002 00:44:20,249 --> 00:44:17,849 that scene but for Dana 1003 00:44:22,799 --> 00:44:20,259 what's going through your head when you 1004 00:44:27,570 --> 00:44:22,809 see somebody that lives in this town lay 1005 00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:27,580 it out like that it was I mean I think 1006 00:44:31,620 --> 00:44:30,130 there's there's a moment there's a scene 1007 00:44:33,120 --> 00:44:31,630 afterwards where we're all kind of 1008 00:44:36,030 --> 00:44:33,130 sitting together and just sort of 1009 00:44:37,980 --> 00:44:36,040 talking about it and I think Connor said 1010 00:44:39,240 --> 00:44:37,990 it perfectly which is it would be one 1011 00:44:41,250 --> 00:44:39,250 thing if we were learning this 1012 00:44:43,740 --> 00:44:41,260 information and we were miles away from 1013 00:44:48,540 --> 00:44:43,750 the spot but we weren't we were right 1014 00:44:52,250 --> 00:44:48,550 there and that is it's terrifying 1015 00:44:54,780 --> 00:44:52,260 it was very very scary to have someone 1016 00:44:56,130 --> 00:44:54,790 just go down a checklist without being 1017 00:44:58,770 --> 00:44:56,140 prompted without being given any 1018 00:45:01,110 --> 00:44:58,780 information that at least we had it was 1019 00:45:03,420 --> 00:45:01,120 very scary to have someone literally go 1020 00:45:07,950 --> 00:45:03,430 down through a checklist and basically 1021 00:45:10,620 --> 00:45:07,960 mark correct next to every insane crazy 1022 00:45:14,250 --> 00:45:10,630 scary piece of information that you had 1023 00:45:16,440 --> 00:45:14,260 been given privately about this town and 1024 00:45:18,690 --> 00:45:16,450 and that's what Nate did in that moment 1025 00:45:20,910 --> 00:45:18,700 and it was it was an earth-shattering 1026 00:45:24,990 --> 00:45:20,920 moment we we literally did not I think 1027 00:45:26,910 --> 00:45:25,000 we we had to really try to process it 1028 00:45:28,980 --> 00:45:26,920 and even then I don't even think that we 1029 00:45:31,050 --> 00:45:28,990 fully processed what was actually going 1030 00:45:37,290 --> 00:45:31,060 on in that moment it was pretty intense 1031 00:45:39,390 --> 00:45:37,300 yeah and after after you guys left real 1032 00:45:42,120 --> 00:45:39,400 quick just give me the quick answer how 1033 00:45:42,570 --> 00:45:42,130 long did you sit with Nate just really 1034 00:45:44,730 --> 00:45:42,580 quick 1035 00:45:48,930 --> 00:45:44,740 we sat with him for four hours four 1036 00:45:52,020 --> 00:45:48,940 hours so wait hold on so after four 1037 00:45:54,660 --> 00:45:52,030 hours with Nate and you depart did you 1038 00:45:57,570 --> 00:45:54,670 guys feel like you were being watched oh 1039 00:45:58,950 --> 00:45:57,580 my gosh yeah the whole time we were 1040 00:46:01,680 --> 00:45:58,960 there we felt like we were being watched 1041 00:46:02,550 --> 00:46:01,690 we were noticing weird cars we were 1042 00:46:04,110 --> 00:46:02,560 noticing 1043 00:46:06,360 --> 00:46:04,120 I mean people looking at us weird 1044 00:46:08,670 --> 00:46:06,370 strange and it's not a very big town but 1045 00:46:11,040 --> 00:46:08,680 it was enough that we everyone was 1046 00:46:12,780 --> 00:46:11,050 really on edge we all felt very strongly 1047 00:46:13,890 --> 00:46:12,790 as if some like people were paying 1048 00:46:16,530 --> 00:46:13,900 attention to us or that they were 1049 00:46:18,600 --> 00:46:16,540 watching us yeah and people only like 1050 00:46:22,590 --> 00:46:18,610 like I said four hours we sat with this 1051 00:46:24,000 --> 00:46:22,600 guy people only hear her in in in helle 1052 00:46:26,220 --> 00:46:24,010 or two they only hear a fraction of the 1053 00:46:28,140 --> 00:46:26,230 stuff and there's stuff that like we we 1054 00:46:30,420 --> 00:46:28,150 just couldn't even show because we were 1055 00:46:35,220 --> 00:46:30,430 worried about our own safety now there 1056 00:46:37,170 --> 00:46:35,230 was okay now again no spoilers here not 1057 00:46:39,569 --> 00:46:37,180 gonna do that I want everybody to go and 1058 00:46:41,849 --> 00:46:39,579 watch but they need to key in on 1059 00:46:45,900 --> 00:46:41,859 these segments that we're talking about 1060 00:46:51,079 --> 00:46:45,910 here the like Nate and the other one and 1061 00:46:55,890 --> 00:46:51,089 I'm gonna give you an Emmy Award for the 1062 00:46:59,099 --> 00:46:55,900 FaceTime video from jail yeah okay all 1063 00:47:02,219 --> 00:46:59,109 right now how does somebody FaceTime 1064 00:47:02,940 --> 00:47:02,229 from jail dude that was a surprise to me 1065 00:47:06,420 --> 00:47:02,950 too 1066 00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:06,430 so you know light spoilers but we have 1067 00:47:10,979 --> 00:47:09,130 to interview someone who's in jail and I 1068 00:47:12,539 --> 00:47:10,989 thought that the way that this would 1069 00:47:14,579 --> 00:47:12,549 work is you know I'm like oh well we're 1070 00:47:16,769 --> 00:47:14,589 just gonna have to like hide a recorder 1071 00:47:18,329 --> 00:47:16,779 in my pocket and I'm gonna have to go in 1072 00:47:19,769 --> 00:47:18,339 and you know pick up the phone from the 1073 00:47:21,359 --> 00:47:19,779 one side of the glass that kind of thing 1074 00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:21,369 that's not how they do it anymore 1075 00:47:26,729 --> 00:47:24,130 apparently like it's so weird man they 1076 00:47:28,979 --> 00:47:26,739 have their own like inter jail like 1077 00:47:31,319 --> 00:47:28,989 Facebook thing where they have like 1078 00:47:33,539 --> 00:47:31,329 profile pictures and stuff and you have 1079 00:47:36,449 --> 00:47:33,549 to dump like you have to put like $25 in 1080 00:47:38,009 --> 00:47:36,459 the prisoners account and so they can 1081 00:47:40,049 --> 00:47:38,019 talk to you and it's like 25 cents a 1082 00:47:41,670 --> 00:47:40,059 message to you know send each other like 1083 00:47:45,209 --> 00:47:41,680 basically Facebook messages back and 1084 00:47:48,359 --> 00:47:45,219 forth but you can schedule visits 1085 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:48,369 visitation via their own weird version 1086 00:47:54,749 --> 00:47:52,690 of Skype and so that made our job a lot 1087 00:47:57,569 --> 00:47:54,759 easier because we were still able to 1088 00:48:00,479 --> 00:47:57,579 talk to this person in jail who had all 1089 00:48:02,910 --> 00:48:00,489 this information and film it and record 1090 00:48:05,519 --> 00:48:02,920 it which we would likely not have been 1091 00:48:07,410 --> 00:48:05,529 able to do have this person you know had 1092 00:48:09,059 --> 00:48:07,420 we had to go and actually sit you know 1093 00:48:11,339 --> 00:48:09,069 in the jail and do one of these 1094 00:48:13,199 --> 00:48:11,349 person-to-person things but man that 1095 00:48:16,199 --> 00:48:13,209 blew my mind I didn't realize that they 1096 00:48:19,380 --> 00:48:16,209 had they had like basically a prison 1097 00:48:23,910 --> 00:48:19,390 social media now and this is what was so 1098 00:48:25,410 --> 00:48:23,920 great about that you because of how it's 1099 00:48:28,759 --> 00:48:25,420 done we're talking about somebody that 1100 00:48:31,949 --> 00:48:28,769 is in jail and she's a she of everybody 1101 00:48:35,099 --> 00:48:31,959 that is not in communication with Nate 1102 00:48:36,839 --> 00:48:35,109 and certainly doesn't know about the 1103 00:48:40,199 --> 00:48:36,849 conversations that you guys are out 1104 00:48:43,319 --> 00:48:40,209 there filming because she's in jail 1105 00:48:45,209 --> 00:48:43,329 yeah right and we didn't tell anyone 1106 00:48:47,599 --> 00:48:45,219 that we were doing this because of how 1107 00:48:50,370 --> 00:48:47,609 scary things were no one had any idea 1108 00:48:53,430 --> 00:48:50,380 that we were in Somerset even we were 1109 00:48:55,230 --> 00:48:53,440 talking to Nate he just thought we were 1110 00:48:57,840 --> 00:48:55,240 in the area collecting ghost stories 1111 00:48:59,460 --> 00:48:57,850 like weird stories of Kentucky no one 1112 00:49:01,200 --> 00:48:59,470 knew that we were embedded in this town 1113 00:49:04,050 --> 00:49:01,210 when we were doing all this they had no 1114 00:49:07,940 --> 00:49:04,060 clue now when this FaceTime video goes 1115 00:49:12,390 --> 00:49:07,950 down and it was just like with Nate 1116 00:49:16,650 --> 00:49:12,400 Bam Bam Bam right yeah a whole man and 1117 00:49:19,620 --> 00:49:16,660 it is also for Dana going down the 1118 00:49:21,720 --> 00:49:19,630 checklist yeah and as a viewer you're 1119 00:49:24,180 --> 00:49:21,730 like no come on really 1120 00:49:27,150 --> 00:49:24,190 and again one of the most intense things 1121 00:49:31,380 --> 00:49:27,160 I've ever seen in any type of a 1122 00:49:34,980 --> 00:49:31,390 docu-series it was it was incredible it 1123 00:49:38,160 --> 00:49:34,990 was that moment where you've got you've 1124 00:49:39,720 --> 00:49:38,170 got multiple sources that are existing 1125 00:49:42,720 --> 00:49:39,730 very separately they don't know each 1126 00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:42,730 other and they're they're not validating 1127 00:49:46,950 --> 00:49:45,130 each other without realizing that 1128 00:49:48,780 --> 00:49:46,960 they're validating each other and and 1129 00:49:51,660 --> 00:49:48,790 you're smack dab in the middle of it 1130 00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:51,670 realizing oh crap this is this we're 1131 00:49:56,730 --> 00:49:53,770 trail like this is actually really 1132 00:49:59,610 --> 00:49:56,740 happening in this place can I ask you 1133 00:50:03,900 --> 00:49:59,620 okay it's sort of a spoiler I I do have 1134 00:50:07,940 --> 00:50:03,910 one question about that she mentions a 1135 00:50:12,750 --> 00:50:07,950 house with an elevator 1136 00:50:15,810 --> 00:50:12,760 and did you guys go and try to find this 1137 00:50:17,460 --> 00:50:15,820 house oh we found the house you found 1138 00:50:19,680 --> 00:50:17,470 the house with the elevator wait a 1139 00:50:21,240 --> 00:50:19,690 minute that's not in this series no I 1140 00:50:23,130 --> 00:50:21,250 mean it can't be it's private property 1141 00:50:25,980 --> 00:50:23,140 there's a lot of stuff that 1142 00:50:28,110 --> 00:50:25,990 unfortunately we we're not gonna get 1143 00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:28,120 permission to show that stuff and you 1144 00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:29,530 know and again we don't know that 1145 00:50:33,480 --> 00:50:31,450 there's an elevator we don't know that 1146 00:50:36,540 --> 00:50:33,490 for a fact we know where these places 1147 00:50:38,310 --> 00:50:36,550 are but we just know of the location we 1148 00:50:40,110 --> 00:50:38,320 know the location we know a lot of 1149 00:50:44,310 --> 00:50:40,120 different locations we know like names 1150 00:50:46,200 --> 00:50:44,320 we know places and specifics that we for 1151 00:50:48,780 --> 00:50:46,210 a lot of legal reasons we just cannot 1152 00:50:52,590 --> 00:50:48,790 give out in a widely release documentary 1153 00:50:55,380 --> 00:50:52,600 I because the way that I can I don't 1154 00:50:57,300 --> 00:50:55,390 know how much of the FaceTime video you 1155 00:51:01,530 --> 00:50:57,310 know couldn't make it into the series 1156 00:51:04,880 --> 00:51:01,540 right she is is she's she's dropping 1157 00:51:06,949 --> 00:51:04,890 she's dead she's a whistleblower 1158 00:51:09,709 --> 00:51:06,959 yeah yeah yeah I mean the stuff that 1159 00:51:13,640 --> 00:51:09,719 she's saying is really scary involves 1160 00:51:18,890 --> 00:51:13,650 you know uh underground secret societies 1161 00:51:21,529 --> 00:51:18,900 cults and in worship of these creatures 1162 00:51:24,140 --> 00:51:21,539 that happen in these these old cave 1163 00:51:27,170 --> 00:51:24,150 systems and I think the thing too for 1164 00:51:29,479 --> 00:51:27,180 hers in that moment it's she's finally 1165 00:51:31,370 --> 00:51:29,489 having someone listen to her you know 1166 00:51:35,150 --> 00:51:31,380 that's fine someone's finally taking her 1167 00:51:36,680 --> 00:51:35,160 seriously and that was the that was what 1168 00:51:38,599 --> 00:51:36,690 was even more chilling to me is that 1169 00:51:40,489 --> 00:51:38,609 this poor person has been screaming this 1170 00:51:42,829 --> 00:51:40,499 and no one's been listening to her and 1171 00:51:44,420 --> 00:51:42,839 now we have multiple sources that can 1172 00:51:46,880 --> 00:51:44,430 validate everything that she's saying 1173 00:51:50,479 --> 00:51:46,890 and that that was a really big moment 1174 00:51:52,400 --> 00:51:50,489 she said she says there's a moment I'm 1175 00:51:55,039 --> 00:51:52,410 gonna paraphrase here you can see 1176 00:51:57,890 --> 00:51:55,049 prisoners walking around inmates in the 1177 00:52:01,910 --> 00:51:57,900 background right and she literally leans 1178 00:52:04,910 --> 00:52:01,920 down and starts to whisper I'm telling 1179 00:52:07,699 --> 00:52:04,920 you guys this is you guys got to be 1180 00:52:12,589 --> 00:52:07,709 careful you gotta listen to me and I'm 1181 00:52:14,900 --> 00:52:12,599 thinking about I am listening quietly 1182 00:52:17,259 --> 00:52:14,910 dig quietly because this ruined my life 1183 00:52:20,239 --> 00:52:17,269 she said she used to be a teacher and 1184 00:52:24,019 --> 00:52:20,249 once she started looking into this all 1185 00:52:26,539 --> 00:52:24,029 because she heard somebody scream they 1186 00:52:29,449 --> 00:52:26,549 she says that you know trumped-up 1187 00:52:31,640 --> 00:52:29,459 charges and things like that and and 1188 00:52:33,799 --> 00:52:31,650 again you know we have to walk this this 1189 00:52:35,749 --> 00:52:33,809 line this this journalistic line where 1190 00:52:38,539 --> 00:52:35,759 yes this stuff is scary 1191 00:52:40,999 --> 00:52:38,549 is it true well you can make up your own 1192 00:52:42,920 --> 00:52:41,009 mind the you know the thing is always 1193 00:52:45,229 --> 00:52:42,930 always always and she even says this in 1194 00:52:47,359 --> 00:52:45,239 in the interview we do with her she says 1195 00:52:49,579 --> 00:52:47,369 I don't know how to describe what I saw 1196 00:52:51,920 --> 00:52:49,589 I can only describe it with the words 1197 00:52:53,959 --> 00:52:51,930 that I have in my head and that's the 1198 00:52:55,759 --> 00:52:53,969 problem not just with this but with all 1199 00:52:57,769 --> 00:52:55,769 paranormal phenomena which is why some 1200 00:53:00,199 --> 00:52:57,779 people you know they experience a UFO 1201 00:53:03,199 --> 00:53:00,209 but because of their background it 1202 00:53:04,999 --> 00:53:03,209 becomes a miracle you know that happens 1203 00:53:06,410 --> 00:53:05,009 a lot and you have to read between the 1204 00:53:08,479 --> 00:53:06,420 lines with a lot of this because they 1205 00:53:11,239 --> 00:53:08,489 only can talk about these experiences 1206 00:53:13,309 --> 00:53:11,249 with what they already have because of 1207 00:53:17,059 --> 00:53:13,319 their you know social status or economic 1208 00:53:18,789 --> 00:53:17,069 status or or regional status and so yes 1209 00:53:22,449 --> 00:53:18,799 this stuff is scary 1210 00:53:24,519 --> 00:53:22,459 but what exactly did she experience 1211 00:53:26,079 --> 00:53:24,529 that's the hard part that's the heart of 1212 00:53:28,509 --> 00:53:26,089 what we're trying to get to how does 1213 00:53:30,939 --> 00:53:28,519 what she experienced match up with other 1214 00:53:32,289 --> 00:53:30,949 people in that town how does it match up 1215 00:53:36,069 --> 00:53:32,299 with what we're looking into for Helier 1216 00:53:38,349 --> 00:53:36,079 she was terrified so scared absolutely 1217 00:53:40,599 --> 00:53:38,359 she was scared for us she was scared for 1218 00:53:42,789 --> 00:53:40,609 you and it really comes across it was 1219 00:53:45,699 --> 00:53:42,799 such an intense moment and there were as 1220 00:53:48,459 --> 00:53:45,709 many more and we're gonna take our break 1221 00:53:51,339 --> 00:53:48,469 right here and I will set I will say it 1222 00:53:53,289 --> 00:53:51,349 right now it is so highly recommended 1223 00:53:56,829 --> 00:53:53,299 hell your season two and if you haven't 1224 00:53:57,429 --> 00:53:56,839 seen season one go and watch it it's all 1225 00:53:59,229 --> 00:53:57,439 good 1226 00:54:01,059 --> 00:53:59,239 and the links for everything we're over 1227 00:54:02,079 --> 00:54:01,069 a two meter 20 ok I'm gonna take a quick 1228 00:54:05,620 --> 00:54:02,089 break tonight 1229 00:54:08,679 --> 00:54:05,630 Dana and Greg new Newkirk almost said 1230 00:54:09,789 --> 00:54:08,689 the new season to season two of value 1231 00:54:13,340 --> 00:54:09,799 we'll be right back after this short 1232 00:54:13,350 --> 00:54:50,660 [Music] 1233 00:54:54,449 --> 00:54:52,769 all right welcome back fade to black 1234 00:54:56,160 --> 00:54:54,459 coming up super church tonight Greg and 1235 00:54:58,170 --> 00:54:56,170 Dana Newkirk we're talking about Hell 1236 00:54:59,759 --> 00:54:58,180 your season two tomorrow night Randy 1237 00:55:02,459 --> 00:54:59,769 bitin himer it's good to be here 1238 00:55:04,140 --> 00:55:02,469 and Wednesday night John Greenwald of 1239 00:55:05,789 --> 00:55:04,150 the black ball Thursday of course is 1240 00:55:07,680 --> 00:55:05,799 another fader knife with open lines all 1241 00:55:12,269 --> 00:55:07,690 night long tonight it's Greg and Dana 1242 00:55:15,150 --> 00:55:12,279 and ok I'm going to ask you both a 1243 00:55:18,539 --> 00:55:15,160 question what an answer as quickly as 1244 00:55:21,150 --> 00:55:18,549 possible Greg how many times do you 1245 00:55:24,539 --> 00:55:21,160 think in my life I have had a fallen 1246 00:55:27,870 --> 00:55:24,549 tree across the road I am driving Greg 1247 00:55:29,969 --> 00:55:27,880 how many very few I'm assuming Dana how 1248 00:55:33,839 --> 00:55:29,979 many trees have fallen across the road I 1249 00:55:40,769 --> 00:55:33,849 am driving on in my life I would assume 1250 00:55:46,009 --> 00:55:40,779 very few how about none how about none 1251 00:55:49,019 --> 00:55:46,019 and in the last episode right 1252 00:55:51,539 --> 00:55:49,029 got like you've got to be kidding me 1253 00:55:52,439 --> 00:55:51,549 alright so let's back up and talk about 1254 00:55:54,059 --> 00:55:52,449 balloons 1255 00:55:56,009 --> 00:55:54,069 now that we've laid that out I want 1256 00:56:02,069 --> 00:55:56,019 everybody to go and observe the fallen 1257 00:56:07,589 --> 00:56:02,079 trees balloons what what the hell is 1258 00:56:09,650 --> 00:56:07,599 going on here let's the the FIR okay 1259 00:56:13,339 --> 00:56:09,660 let's go let's go to the first balloon 1260 00:56:20,430 --> 00:56:16,109 thankfully no how close were he did you 1261 00:56:23,910 --> 00:56:20,440 was that was that dismissed did it take 1262 00:56:25,529 --> 00:56:23,920 the second balloon oh it took the third 1263 00:56:27,269 --> 00:56:25,539 balloon while the third balloon we're 1264 00:56:29,999 --> 00:56:27,279 gonna get to the third balloon because 1265 00:56:33,089 --> 00:56:30,009 that's the holy crap moment let's go to 1266 00:56:36,539 --> 00:56:33,099 the first balloon how did that appear in 1267 00:56:39,479 --> 00:56:36,549 your life so just to give people some 1268 00:56:41,519 --> 00:56:39,489 context one of the things that happens 1269 00:56:44,640 --> 00:56:41,529 you know one of the loose threads in 1270 00:56:47,069 --> 00:56:44,650 season one that we haven't resolved in 1271 00:56:49,829 --> 00:56:47,079 season one is one of the things that 1272 00:56:51,839 --> 00:56:49,839 this guy Terry sent me were a string of 1273 00:56:55,019 --> 00:56:51,849 numbers and he said use the numbers and 1274 00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:55,029 the numbers appear to be GPS coordinates 1275 00:56:59,099 --> 00:56:57,249 these were GPS coordinates appointed to 1276 00:57:01,349 --> 00:56:59,109 Brown Mountain North Carolina which was 1277 00:57:02,130 --> 00:57:01,359 a place that we had been just a few 1278 00:57:04,200 --> 00:57:02,140 months earlier 1279 00:57:06,390 --> 00:57:04,210 so seem very pointed very 1280 00:57:08,640 --> 00:57:06,400 obvious because the email that these 1281 00:57:11,820 --> 00:57:08,650 arrived in said why did you stop when 1282 00:57:12,660 --> 00:57:11,830 you were so close so we assumed okay 1283 00:57:15,300 --> 00:57:12,670 there's something that we're missing 1284 00:57:18,630 --> 00:57:15,310 there and these GPS coordinates pointed 1285 00:57:20,430 --> 00:57:18,640 to a very specific spot in the the State 1286 00:57:24,599 --> 00:57:20,440 Forest or the National Forest there and 1287 00:57:28,589 --> 00:57:24,609 so our friend Tyler volunteered to go 1288 00:57:30,420 --> 00:57:28,599 and check these out and you know we were 1289 00:57:33,000 --> 00:57:30,430 a bit nervous for him he wanted to go by 1290 00:57:34,710 --> 00:57:33,010 himself but we thought maybe people are 1291 00:57:37,440 --> 00:57:34,720 paying attention to us they're watching 1292 00:57:38,220 --> 00:57:37,450 us so if this guy goes no one's gonna 1293 00:57:40,710 --> 00:57:38,230 have any idea 1294 00:57:43,680 --> 00:57:40,720 so Tyler goes out to check these 1295 00:57:47,760 --> 00:57:43,690 coordinates and when he gets there it 1296 00:57:51,450 --> 00:57:47,770 seems and slight spoiler it seems like 1297 00:57:54,210 --> 00:57:51,460 whatever was there might have been gone 1298 00:57:56,250 --> 00:57:54,220 for a while maybe we didn't follow up 1299 00:57:58,710 --> 00:57:56,260 fast enough but the only thing that he 1300 00:58:00,210 --> 00:57:58,720 finds that these coordinate points is an 1301 00:58:02,640 --> 00:58:00,220 old balloon that looks like had been 1302 00:58:05,099 --> 00:58:02,650 there for a bit and it just says happy 1303 00:58:06,510 --> 00:58:05,109 birthday on it and he thought it was 1304 00:58:09,540 --> 00:58:06,520 significant enough cuz again he's in the 1305 00:58:12,839 --> 00:58:09,550 middle of a forest middle of nowhere in 1306 00:58:14,730 --> 00:58:12,849 North Carolina and right at this spot 1307 00:58:18,300 --> 00:58:14,740 right at these GPS coordinates is this 1308 00:58:20,640 --> 00:58:18,310 balloon so he puts it in his bag and 1309 00:58:22,440 --> 00:58:20,650 says well maybe that's important I'll 1310 00:58:27,359 --> 00:58:22,450 save it for later that's the first 1311 00:58:31,050 --> 00:58:27,369 balloon the thing is what would end up 1312 00:58:37,140 --> 00:58:31,060 happening with these happy birthday 1313 00:58:40,020 --> 00:58:37,150 balloons is is beyond the pale it's 1314 00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:40,030 undeniable on deniable 1315 00:58:50,390 --> 00:58:44,410 and then you know I go back to my cousin 1316 00:58:56,640 --> 00:58:50,400 Vinnie a year later to almost to the day 1317 00:58:57,990 --> 00:58:56,650 to the day what happens Dana and I you 1318 00:58:59,670 --> 00:58:58,000 know we run the traveling Museum of the 1319 00:59:01,620 --> 00:58:59,680 paranormal in the occult so we're we're 1320 00:59:03,660 --> 00:59:01,630 crisscross in the country all year long 1321 00:59:06,780 --> 00:59:03,670 with this museum exhibition and we 1322 00:59:08,609 --> 00:59:06,790 happen to be in California and we were 1323 00:59:10,200 --> 00:59:08,619 doing an event at the Queen Mary and 1324 00:59:11,760 --> 00:59:10,210 while we were there there was a friend 1325 00:59:15,089 --> 00:59:11,770 of mine very dear friend of mine Alex 1326 00:59:16,589 --> 00:59:15,099 who we hadn't seen in years and he said 1327 00:59:17,760 --> 00:59:16,599 hey while you're in town if you got time 1328 00:59:19,380 --> 00:59:17,770 let's grab a beer 1329 00:59:22,050 --> 00:59:19,390 so we went out to a bar and we met him 1330 00:59:23,370 --> 00:59:22,060 and he's the first thing he wants to 1331 00:59:25,980 --> 00:59:23,380 know he's a big fan of the first season 1332 00:59:27,570 --> 00:59:25,990 a hell year he's like what happened did 1333 00:59:30,840 --> 00:59:27,580 you go to the coordinates what's there 1334 00:59:31,980 --> 00:59:30,850 and I was like man listen you know we 1335 00:59:33,859 --> 00:59:31,990 went to the coordinates and we didn't 1336 00:59:36,690 --> 00:59:33,869 really find anything but there was this 1337 00:59:37,770 --> 00:59:36,700 mylar happy birthday balloon like right 1338 00:59:39,810 --> 00:59:37,780 there at the coordinates and we're not 1339 00:59:43,350 --> 00:59:39,820 sure to make out of it and he starts to 1340 00:59:45,750 --> 00:59:43,360 shake like literally shake and say no no 1341 00:59:47,100 --> 00:59:45,760 no no no no no no no no no no and he 1342 00:59:49,140 --> 00:59:47,110 pulls his phone out and I'm like what's 1343 00:59:51,210 --> 00:59:49,150 going on man he's like no no no no no no 1344 00:59:54,890 --> 00:59:51,220 no no and he goes and he shows me this 1345 00:59:58,109 --> 00:59:54,900 video almost to the day he is hiking 1346 01:00:02,580 --> 00:59:58,119 just a few weeks earlier before he meets 1347 01:00:04,320 --> 01:00:02,590 us he's hiking in this this National 1348 01:00:07,740 --> 01:00:04,330 Park land in the middle of nowhere 1349 01:00:09,990 --> 01:00:07,750 middle of nowhere and he sees this glint 1350 01:00:12,210 --> 01:00:10,000 in the distance and he shoots this video 1351 01:00:15,240 --> 01:00:12,220 on his phone of this happy birthday 1352 01:00:16,380 --> 01:00:15,250 balloon just slowly floating down right 1353 01:00:18,270 --> 01:00:16,390 into his hand 1354 01:00:22,230 --> 01:00:18,280 oh you're you know you're telling it 1355 01:00:24,410 --> 01:00:22,240 incorrectly let me tell you from my 1356 01:00:28,170 --> 01:00:24,420 perspective he sees a mylar balloon 1357 01:00:31,560 --> 01:00:28,180 falling down and he goes to check it out 1358 01:00:33,390 --> 01:00:31,570 and then he's videotaping and he flips 1359 01:00:39,349 --> 01:00:33,400 it over and it's a friggin happy 1360 01:00:42,390 --> 01:00:39,359 birthday balloon like no way 1361 01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:42,400 impossible impossible said at that point 1362 01:00:46,770 --> 01:00:44,290 he said the first thing he thought was 1363 01:00:48,930 --> 01:00:46,780 this seems really weird and pointed and 1364 01:00:51,390 --> 01:00:48,940 he actually showed us the note in his 1365 01:00:54,810 --> 01:00:51,400 phone where he said ask Greg and Dana 1366 01:00:56,190 --> 01:00:54,820 about happy birthday balloon so he even 1367 01:00:57,960 --> 01:00:56,200 at that point was like there's something 1368 01:00:59,760 --> 01:00:57,970 about this I need to ask them about and 1369 01:01:01,230 --> 01:00:59,770 so he became after we told him about the 1370 01:01:03,510 --> 01:01:01,240 first balloon he became convinced that 1371 01:01:06,030 --> 01:01:03,520 that happened to him because he was 1372 01:01:07,620 --> 01:01:06,040 going to see us so there was something 1373 01:01:09,480 --> 01:01:07,630 he needed to tell us and we say at this 1374 01:01:11,790 --> 01:01:09,490 point we're like what could this 1375 01:01:15,480 --> 01:01:11,800 possibly mean it's a balloon you know 1376 01:01:17,790 --> 01:01:15,490 like what does it mean and then again 1377 01:01:20,490 --> 01:01:17,800 this isn't a spoiler this is just I want 1378 01:01:22,080 --> 01:01:20,500 everybody to go and watch the series and 1379 01:01:25,050 --> 01:01:22,090 see how all of this plays out because 1380 01:01:26,880 --> 01:01:25,060 we're just giving you the the the very 1381 01:01:30,730 --> 01:01:26,890 tip of everything there's so much 1382 01:01:35,560 --> 01:01:30,740 backstory to all of us but then and 1383 01:01:37,599 --> 01:01:35,570 Allen Greenfield right so now you guys 1384 01:01:39,940 --> 01:01:37,609 Dayna at this point when you were 1385 01:01:41,950 --> 01:01:39,950 sitting down with Allen and and the two 1386 01:01:43,480 --> 01:01:41,960 balloons were you starting to piece 1387 01:01:46,480 --> 01:01:43,490 things together that there may be 1388 01:01:49,390 --> 01:01:46,490 something here I definitely buy the 1389 01:01:50,920 --> 01:01:49,400 second balloon I was feeling even just 1390 01:01:52,480 --> 01:01:50,930 sort of intuitively like it was 1391 01:01:54,550 --> 01:01:52,490 something that was important that we 1392 01:01:56,800 --> 01:01:54,560 needed to be paying attention to and I 1393 01:01:58,480 --> 01:01:56,810 think I think we all at that point we're 1394 01:02:01,030 --> 01:01:58,490 starting to realize okay this is some 1395 01:02:03,370 --> 01:02:01,040 sort of this is some sort of piece of 1396 01:02:06,089 --> 01:02:03,380 this puzzle that we have completed at 1397 01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:06,099 this point in time but it felt very 1398 01:02:12,460 --> 01:02:10,490 significant and and we were pretty sure 1399 01:02:14,740 --> 01:02:12,470 that it was gonna come back around in 1400 01:02:17,310 --> 01:02:14,750 some way shape or form in the future now 1401 01:02:19,630 --> 01:02:17,320 so you sit down with Allen great 1402 01:02:22,300 --> 01:02:19,640 conversation and you can see he's a 1403 01:02:24,520 --> 01:02:22,310 really cool dude and you can see next to 1404 01:02:31,839 --> 01:02:24,530 Allen by the way the digital clock is 1405 01:02:35,440 --> 01:02:31,849 there that interview is probably five 1406 01:02:40,120 --> 01:02:35,450 hour you can see a playout block by the 1407 01:02:44,380 --> 01:02:40,130 way so I pay attention to everything so 1408 01:02:45,970 --> 01:02:44,390 you sit down with Allen and again the 1409 01:02:48,640 --> 01:02:45,980 subject because we're about to talk 1410 01:02:52,000 --> 01:02:48,650 about balloons again in a few minutes 1411 01:02:55,329 --> 01:02:52,010 here but this also comes up with Allen 1412 01:02:57,940 --> 01:02:55,339 and he says a few things during this 1413 01:02:59,530 --> 01:02:57,950 interview one I'm just going to say it 1414 01:03:03,520 --> 01:02:59,540 right now 1415 01:03:05,530 --> 01:03:03,530 bluestar and and so that that that 1416 01:03:08,079 --> 01:03:05,540 actually comes up and how it plays out 1417 01:03:10,630 --> 01:03:08,089 by the end of the series that that is a 1418 01:03:12,160 --> 01:03:10,640 freak out in its own hair is standing up 1419 01:03:15,520 --> 01:03:12,170 on my neck thinking about all of this 1420 01:03:17,620 --> 01:03:15,530 but you guys don't know this yet and and 1421 01:03:19,980 --> 01:03:17,630 neither does anybody else but the 1422 01:03:23,170 --> 01:03:19,990 subject of balloons comes up with Allen 1423 01:03:24,579 --> 01:03:23,180 yeah Allen is is we you know we we sort 1424 01:03:26,890 --> 01:03:24,589 of tell him what's going on with these 1425 01:03:29,829 --> 01:03:26,900 and Allen was a was a font of 1426 01:03:31,660 --> 01:03:29,839 information like he was so unbelievably 1427 01:03:32,980 --> 01:03:31,670 valuable and I mean I think you know 1428 01:03:34,270 --> 01:03:32,990 it's not really a spoiler that we met 1429 01:03:35,650 --> 01:03:34,280 with him because we had to I mean he's 1430 01:03:37,329 --> 01:03:35,660 the guy who wrote secret cipher of the 1431 01:03:40,870 --> 01:03:37,339 UFO knots he was the guy who came up 1432 01:03:43,390 --> 01:03:40,880 with the cipher so Allen had a lot to 1433 01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:43,400 say but we we sort of nonchalantly told 1434 01:03:47,260 --> 01:03:44,330 him about the balloon 1435 01:03:50,140 --> 01:03:47,270 and it's really funny when you watch it 1436 01:03:52,360 --> 01:03:50,150 because Karl manages to catch him during 1437 01:03:54,610 --> 01:03:52,370 one of our breaks between our five-hour 1438 01:03:56,590 --> 01:03:54,620 interview or he's like I don't know why 1439 01:03:59,080 --> 01:03:56,600 you're not more interested in the effing 1440 01:04:01,660 --> 01:03:59,090 balloons sure he's like they're they're 1441 01:04:03,160 --> 01:04:01,670 so important he was very adamant at that 1442 01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:03,170 point that the balloons be something 1443 01:04:07,750 --> 01:04:04,850 that we really focus our attention on 1444 01:04:09,730 --> 01:04:07,760 and and you know hearing that from alan 1445 01:04:12,310 --> 01:04:09,740 greenfield you you know it seems as if 1446 01:04:15,640 --> 01:04:12,320 in that moment it's time to start taking 1447 01:04:19,210 --> 01:04:15,650 that really seriously you have to and 1448 01:04:20,650 --> 01:04:19,220 the the one thing the balloons is 1449 01:04:23,350 --> 01:04:20,660 important and we're going to get to the 1450 01:04:28,000 --> 01:04:23,360 next stage of that in just a minute but 1451 01:04:31,210 --> 01:04:28,010 he's also reminding you guys that it 1452 01:04:35,350 --> 01:04:31,220 seems that this is actually a journey 1453 01:04:36,970 --> 01:04:35,360 and that this is he brings up joseph 1454 01:04:39,430 --> 01:04:36,980 campbell he brings up the hero's journey 1455 01:04:41,740 --> 01:04:39,440 he brings up the reasons why all of this 1456 01:04:43,810 --> 01:04:41,750 is happening and you're you're not 1457 01:04:46,240 --> 01:04:43,820 necessarily supposed to understand you 1458 01:04:48,670 --> 01:04:46,250 guys are trying to figure things out 1459 01:04:50,650 --> 01:04:48,680 right and he's reminding you know what 1460 01:04:52,720 --> 01:04:50,660 don't get ahead of yourself don't get 1461 01:04:54,430 --> 01:04:52,730 ahead of your skis you're not gonna be 1462 01:04:57,640 --> 01:04:54,440 able to figure this out right now 1463 01:04:59,800 --> 01:04:57,650 it's continue the journey I think it was 1464 01:05:01,750 --> 01:04:59,810 very important for somebody like Alan to 1465 01:05:04,060 --> 01:05:01,760 remind you guys of where you are at this 1466 01:05:06,160 --> 01:05:04,070 point right yeah I mean one of the 1467 01:05:08,110 --> 01:05:06,170 things that Alan lays out is you know 1468 01:05:09,490 --> 01:05:08,120 you might not understand what's 1469 01:05:11,500 --> 01:05:09,500 happening right now but what you're 1470 01:05:13,330 --> 01:05:11,510 going through is important and he said 1471 01:05:14,860 --> 01:05:13,340 it's obvious to me that you're being led 1472 01:05:16,300 --> 01:05:14,870 towards something and he says something 1473 01:05:19,240 --> 01:05:16,310 I think was very important for the rest 1474 01:05:22,810 --> 01:05:19,250 of us because you know we can get very 1475 01:05:25,180 --> 01:05:22,820 bogged down in details in minutiae right 1476 01:05:27,820 --> 01:05:25,190 and in this idea of like okay we need to 1477 01:05:29,470 --> 01:05:27,830 figure out exactly who David Christy is 1478 01:05:31,600 --> 01:05:29,480 we've got to find Terry risks real 1479 01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:31,610 identity we need to get addresses and 1480 01:05:35,830 --> 01:05:32,930 names and numbers and all that kind of 1481 01:05:38,200 --> 01:05:35,840 stuff and Alan you know who's been a 1482 01:05:40,020 --> 01:05:38,210 part of the ufological community since 1483 01:05:42,430 --> 01:05:40,030 its heyday 1484 01:05:43,990 --> 01:05:42,440 he's been around he's seen all this 1485 01:05:46,090 --> 01:05:44,000 stuff play out he was friends with keel 1486 01:05:49,060 --> 01:05:46,100 and gray Barker and Jim Mosley and all 1487 01:05:52,000 --> 01:05:49,070 of the legends he said you're paying too 1488 01:05:55,180 --> 01:05:52,010 much attention to who carved the the 1489 01:05:57,160 --> 01:05:55,190 symbols follow the symbols follow the 1490 01:05:57,700 --> 01:05:57,170 paths don't pay as much attention to who 1491 01:06:00,070 --> 01:05:57,710 put them 1492 01:06:01,540 --> 01:06:00,080 there because if you do you're not going 1493 01:06:03,609 --> 01:06:01,550 to follow the path and that's what you 1494 01:06:06,310 --> 01:06:03,619 need to be doing right now and so that's 1495 01:06:08,740 --> 01:06:06,320 the context that Greenfield gave us was 1496 01:06:10,870 --> 01:06:08,750 keep going keep going because this is 1497 01:06:12,070 --> 01:06:10,880 leading somewhere and it and if in his 1498 01:06:13,570 --> 01:06:12,080 opinion it was leading somewhere 1499 01:06:15,520 --> 01:06:13,580 important so that's what we did 1500 01:06:20,099 --> 01:06:15,530 can I ask Dana the pragmatic one 1501 01:06:25,329 --> 01:06:20,109 question yes Dana did you feel that 1502 01:06:28,540 --> 01:06:25,339 Allan Greenfield was was the instigator 1503 01:06:30,310 --> 01:06:28,550 that may have been polling that all of 1504 01:06:32,800 --> 01:06:30,320 this was because he was messing with you 1505 01:06:36,880 --> 01:06:32,810 guys did that cross your mind yeah I 1506 01:06:39,040 --> 01:06:36,890 think my mind has got has convinced 1507 01:06:41,320 --> 01:06:39,050 itself and unconvinced itself that Allan 1508 01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:41,330 Greenfield has been the puppeteer kind 1509 01:06:46,060 --> 01:06:43,130 of pulling the strings so many times at 1510 01:06:48,339 --> 01:06:46,070 this point okay because he's such a 1511 01:06:50,680 --> 01:06:48,349 fantastic trickster he just is that he 1512 01:06:53,740 --> 01:06:50,690 embodies that kind of trickster energy 1513 01:06:55,810 --> 01:06:53,750 to me so I've gone back and forth so 1514 01:06:58,780 --> 01:06:55,820 many times so many times and at this 1515 01:07:01,720 --> 01:06:58,790 point I mean I'm I think I'm fairly 1516 01:07:03,520 --> 01:07:01,730 convinced that he is not the puppeteer 1517 01:07:05,290 --> 01:07:03,530 behind what's going on but it has 1518 01:07:07,990 --> 01:07:05,300 definitely crossed my mind quite a bit 1519 01:07:10,300 --> 01:07:08,000 yeah because if he was the instigator no 1520 01:07:14,740 --> 01:07:10,310 harm no foul you guys can wipe your brow 1521 01:07:17,320 --> 01:07:14,750 and go through okay that yeah but if 1522 01:07:30,750 --> 01:07:17,330 he's not you guys got some issues on the 1523 01:07:33,670 --> 01:07:30,760 table comforting to me I came away from 1524 01:07:35,230 --> 01:07:33,680 the interview with Allan thinking the 1525 01:07:36,640 --> 01:07:35,240 same thing because I just thought to us 1526 01:07:39,790 --> 01:07:36,650 you know and he just messing with the 1527 01:07:43,630 --> 01:07:39,800 kids right and and I I came away from 1528 01:07:45,220 --> 01:07:43,640 that not not with that I think he's 1529 01:07:47,500 --> 01:07:45,230 enjoying this as much as you guys are 1530 01:07:48,849 --> 01:07:47,510 trying to figure this out Greg same 1531 01:07:53,530 --> 01:07:48,859 thing for you were you thinking maybe 1532 01:07:55,420 --> 01:07:53,540 busted him right were you oh we were 1533 01:07:57,520 --> 01:07:55,430 convinced that we were about to meet 1534 01:07:59,530 --> 01:07:57,530 terrorists right mom we were scared 1535 01:08:02,680 --> 01:07:59,540 actually because you know this that 1536 01:08:05,079 --> 01:08:02,690 Allen had been this this shadow this 1537 01:08:06,849 --> 01:08:05,089 ghost hovering above the case ever since 1538 01:08:08,680 --> 01:08:06,859 it began and there were a lot of people 1539 01:08:10,120 --> 01:08:08,690 who came out of the woodwork to say you 1540 01:08:10,660 --> 01:08:10,130 guys are doing a ritual for Allen 1541 01:08:12,400 --> 01:08:10,670 Greenfield 1542 01:08:13,990 --> 01:08:12,410 you know he can't do this type of ritual 1543 01:08:17,169 --> 01:08:14,000 anymore he's using you guys to do a high 1544 01:08:20,019 --> 01:08:17,179 procedural or whatever and we thought 1545 01:08:22,959 --> 01:08:20,029 you know we the night we drove down to 1546 01:08:25,269 --> 01:08:22,969 Atlanta or sitting in that hotel room 1547 01:08:26,379 --> 01:08:25,279 and we were just psyching ourselves up 1548 01:08:28,899 --> 01:08:26,389 because we thought we were gonna meet 1549 01:08:31,919 --> 01:08:28,909 this black magician and he was gonna be 1550 01:08:35,649 --> 01:08:31,929 wearing his like creepy black suit and 1551 01:08:38,110 --> 01:08:35,659 we were gonna find out all along this 1552 01:08:40,840 --> 01:08:38,120 was Terry wrist and then we meet this 1553 01:08:44,349 --> 01:08:40,850 guy who's just like super funny goofy 1554 01:08:46,390 --> 01:08:44,359 dude wearing a Hawaiian t-shirt who's 1555 01:08:48,939 --> 01:08:46,400 like oh god that's nonsense of course 1556 01:08:50,709 --> 01:08:48,949 it's not me and he's like here I want to 1557 01:08:52,899 --> 01:08:50,719 help this is great I think you're doing 1558 01:08:54,700 --> 01:08:52,909 important work let me help you and we 1559 01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:54,710 walked away going oh there's no way 1560 01:09:00,010 --> 01:08:57,170 there's no way this is him well see and 1561 01:09:03,129 --> 01:09:00,020 there's a reason why that was so intense 1562 01:09:06,010 --> 01:09:03,139 for the viewer because when we bring in 1563 01:09:09,300 --> 01:09:06,020 things like rituals and Aleister Crowley 1564 01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:09,310 and the the rituals 1565 01:09:18,189 --> 01:09:13,370 Aleister and and those around him spend 1566 01:09:20,530 --> 01:09:18,199 their life completing one ritual right 1567 01:09:22,660 --> 01:09:20,540 yes is not something right right right 1568 01:09:24,490 --> 01:09:22,670 yeah sure I mean they're their entire 1569 01:09:26,260 --> 01:09:24,500 lives are dedicated to them so yeah 1570 01:09:28,539 --> 01:09:26,270 you're right it that's that is an 1571 01:09:30,370 --> 01:09:28,549 incredibly intense kind of person to 1572 01:09:32,769 --> 01:09:30,380 kind of come into communication with 1573 01:09:35,470 --> 01:09:32,779 yeah and and Crowley spoke about this a 1574 01:09:37,479 --> 01:09:35,480 lot in that you don't just pick up a 1575 01:09:40,180 --> 01:09:37,489 book and read the ritual and do it in a 1576 01:09:42,370 --> 01:09:40,190 couple hours and then move on in your 1577 01:09:44,379 --> 01:09:42,380 ascension right that's not how what 1578 01:09:46,360 --> 01:09:44,389 happens you know you have to live it you 1579 01:09:48,640 --> 01:09:46,370 have to live it it's intense and there's 1580 01:09:51,070 --> 01:09:48,650 a lot to know and you have to do 1581 01:09:54,760 --> 01:09:51,080 previous rituals to complete you know 1582 01:09:58,660 --> 01:09:54,770 and to move on and so but that would say 1583 01:10:01,660 --> 01:09:58,670 to the viewer that maybe you are one of 1584 01:10:04,030 --> 01:10:01,670 these really long rituals that somebody 1585 01:10:08,290 --> 01:10:04,040 like Greenfield would have to complete 1586 01:10:11,950 --> 01:10:08,300 for him to proceed to the next stage and 1587 01:10:14,200 --> 01:10:11,960 that maybe you are a ritual and that's 1588 01:10:16,360 --> 01:10:14,210 why it's taking so many years to 1589 01:10:18,850 --> 01:10:16,370 complete and I'm not going out on a limb 1590 01:10:23,169 --> 01:10:18,860 here it's still possible right 1591 01:10:24,479 --> 01:10:23,179 oh sure anything I mean we're we're 1592 01:10:27,839 --> 01:10:24,489 Helier is left 1593 01:10:30,149 --> 01:10:27,849 is nothing but possibilities and I I'm 1594 01:10:32,850 --> 01:10:30,159 more convinced now than I ever have been 1595 01:10:36,089 --> 01:10:32,860 that we are doing a ritual whether it's 1596 01:10:38,339 --> 01:10:36,099 an initiation ritual or whatever I'm 1597 01:10:40,049 --> 01:10:38,349 more convinced now that that is exactly 1598 01:10:41,850 --> 01:10:40,059 what we're doing because of how much our 1599 01:10:43,799 --> 01:10:41,860 lives have been changed and because how 1600 01:10:46,589 --> 01:10:43,809 much the viewers lives are being changed 1601 01:10:48,660 --> 01:10:46,599 I think it could very well be an 1602 01:10:51,580 --> 01:10:48,670 initiation for the viewer as much as it 1603 01:10:54,589 --> 01:10:51,590 is for us because after this interview 1604 01:10:57,930 --> 01:10:54,599 [Laughter] 1605 01:11:00,390 --> 01:10:57,940 just before you can't imagine this 1606 01:11:04,890 --> 01:11:00,400 getting any stranger or any more 1607 01:11:07,770 --> 01:11:04,900 positive synchronicities I mean in real 1608 01:11:11,430 --> 01:11:07,780 time you guys jump in the car head out 1609 01:11:14,279 --> 01:11:11,440 and encounter I'll just say it you 1610 01:11:17,549 --> 01:11:14,289 encounter a tree falling across the road 1611 01:11:19,620 --> 01:11:17,559 you stop the car and just go ahead 1612 01:11:23,310 --> 01:11:19,630 what's the big reveal what the hell 1613 01:11:24,779 --> 01:11:23,320 happened after we have this interview 1614 01:11:27,270 --> 01:11:24,789 with Greenfield which goes to about 4:00 1615 01:11:30,089 --> 01:11:27,280 or 5:00 in the morning where Greenfield 1616 01:11:32,279 --> 01:11:30,099 is harping on about balloons and the 1617 01:11:34,709 --> 01:11:32,289 significance of them the significance of 1618 01:11:39,930 --> 01:11:34,719 Sirius the planet Sirius which is a blue 1619 01:11:41,850 --> 01:11:39,940 star we are on our way home less than 12 1620 01:11:43,229 --> 01:11:41,860 hours later we're on our way home and I 1621 01:11:45,149 --> 01:11:43,239 say you know what we're gonna be going 1622 01:11:47,399 --> 01:11:45,159 to Somerset it's a place we're gonna go 1623 01:11:48,839 --> 01:11:47,409 for this case let's just drive through 1624 01:11:50,790 --> 01:11:48,849 it's half an hour out of our way so I 1625 01:11:53,729 --> 01:11:50,800 can show you guys because Tyler and I 1626 01:11:55,919 --> 01:11:53,739 had already gone and done recon there so 1627 01:11:58,410 --> 01:11:55,929 we're driving down this dirt road one 1628 01:12:00,870 --> 01:11:58,420 lane middle of nowhere no way to back up 1629 01:12:02,700 --> 01:12:00,880 where a lot of this stuff has had 1630 01:12:05,520 --> 01:12:02,710 allegedly taken place a lot of the scary 1631 01:12:07,259 --> 01:12:05,530 stuff from Somerset and we get to a 1632 01:12:10,379 --> 01:12:07,269 point there's a tree laying over the 1633 01:12:12,989 --> 01:12:10,389 road and I thought oh this is an ambush 1634 01:12:15,299 --> 01:12:12,999 and we had to very kind of cautiously 1635 01:12:16,950 --> 01:12:15,309 got out of the car or went to go and see 1636 01:12:19,169 --> 01:12:16,960 how easy would be to move this tree 1637 01:12:23,129 --> 01:12:19,179 because there was no backing up and at 1638 01:12:32,279 --> 01:12:23,139 the base of this tree is a balloon that 1639 01:12:35,669 --> 01:12:32,289 is a blue star at this point as a viewer 1640 01:12:38,140 --> 01:12:35,679 you're thinking this is planted right 1641 01:12:43,840 --> 01:12:38,150 this this this campaign is this 1642 01:12:46,600 --> 01:12:43,850 is this is not real but it was Carl 1643 01:12:48,880 --> 01:12:46,610 that's in the front seat Carl is in the 1644 01:12:50,020 --> 01:12:48,890 past okay can he's in the back who's in 1645 01:12:52,000 --> 01:12:50,030 the back 1646 01:12:53,110 --> 01:12:52,010 Conor I just want you to say it out loud 1647 01:12:56,169 --> 01:12:53,120 who's in the back 1648 01:12:59,080 --> 01:12:56,179 Conor Conor Randall poor Connor ain't 1649 01:13:02,350 --> 01:12:59,090 getting out of the car he know Connors 1650 01:13:04,600 --> 01:13:02,360 the smartest guy in this scene if you 1651 01:13:10,149 --> 01:13:04,610 ask me I'm not getting out of the car 1652 01:13:12,370 --> 01:13:10,159 and we we we actually sat there for a 1653 01:13:17,140 --> 01:13:12,380 good 5 10 minutes deciding what to do 1654 01:13:18,970 --> 01:13:17,150 and it what's interesting is you should 1655 01:13:20,530 --> 01:13:18,980 notice the entire that entire scene is 1656 01:13:22,030 --> 01:13:20,540 shot on an iPhone because we didn't have 1657 01:13:25,229 --> 01:13:22,040 any of the camera equipment out we were 1658 01:13:27,790 --> 01:13:25,239 not prepared for this at all and I mean 1659 01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:27,800 there it was clear as day I see this 1660 01:13:31,240 --> 01:13:29,600 glinting at the base of the tree and I 1661 01:13:32,740 --> 01:13:31,250 pull it out it's a balloon and it didn't 1662 01:13:35,140 --> 01:13:32,750 even strike me the Blue Star thing 1663 01:13:37,149 --> 01:13:35,150 didn't even strike us until later right 1664 01:13:39,399 --> 01:13:37,159 the significance of that I was just like 1665 01:13:43,810 --> 01:13:39,409 oh it's another damn balloon you know if 1666 01:13:45,459 --> 01:13:43,820 it would have said happy birthday I've 1667 01:13:48,850 --> 01:13:45,469 been fine with that but it was a blue 1668 01:13:52,060 --> 01:13:48,860 star well we're gonna leave that part 1669 01:13:54,700 --> 01:13:52,070 for everybody to go and see from the 1670 01:13:58,120 --> 01:13:54,710 series how that plays out but this is 1671 01:14:00,820 --> 01:13:58,130 the thing Connor in the backseat with 1672 01:14:07,090 --> 01:14:00,830 his iPhone yelling out the window so 1673 01:14:09,130 --> 01:14:07,100 what's going on man did coax Connor out 1674 01:14:11,080 --> 01:14:09,140 to help me move the tree because I could 1675 01:14:13,870 --> 01:14:11,090 do it by myself 1676 01:14:16,300 --> 01:14:13,880 but we were we were terrified I mean we 1677 01:14:20,200 --> 01:14:16,310 we were in a place that was a hostile 1678 01:14:21,880 --> 01:14:20,210 territory and I mean I was expecting 1679 01:14:24,250 --> 01:14:21,890 people to jump up out of the weeds at 1680 01:14:25,209 --> 01:14:24,260 any time and take us out considering 1681 01:14:28,959 --> 01:14:25,219 some of the stories we'd heard about 1682 01:14:32,290 --> 01:14:28,969 this place now the third balloon the 1683 01:14:34,240 --> 01:14:32,300 shock for the viewers one thing because 1684 01:14:37,030 --> 01:14:34,250 it was a pretty intense scene as you 1685 01:14:38,500 --> 01:14:37,040 guys are driving away and Carl unfolds 1686 01:14:39,910 --> 01:14:38,510 the balloon you know and he kind of 1687 01:14:42,330 --> 01:14:39,920 takes a look at it you guys are driving 1688 01:14:48,310 --> 01:14:42,340 away what's going through your mind Greg 1689 01:14:50,620 --> 01:14:48,320 how did this become a thing anyway the 1690 01:14:52,189 --> 01:14:50,630 first season knows like we've got a like 1691 01:14:55,520 --> 01:14:52,199 a psychically 1692 01:14:57,439 --> 01:14:55,530 ducted tin can was the thing that we got 1693 01:14:59,660 --> 01:14:57,449 and so now it's balloon so we're 1694 01:15:02,000 --> 01:14:59,670 literally at this place like why is the 1695 01:15:03,859 --> 01:15:02,010 universe sending us garbage we're just 1696 01:15:05,750 --> 01:15:03,869 collecting garbage and I think that 1697 01:15:08,839 --> 01:15:05,760 there's almost a weird beauty in that 1698 01:15:11,089 --> 01:15:08,849 too because you know that's where some 1699 01:15:13,339 --> 01:15:11,099 of the signs from the universe are being 1700 01:15:14,540 --> 01:15:13,349 given is through this stuff that people 1701 01:15:17,180 --> 01:15:14,550 most people wouldn't pay attention to 1702 01:15:18,919 --> 01:15:17,190 but for us was so deeply meaningful and 1703 01:15:21,410 --> 01:15:18,929 then there's this other weird element 1704 01:15:22,969 --> 01:15:21,420 where you know as we go through season 1705 01:15:24,770 --> 01:15:22,979 two it starts to look like a lot of the 1706 01:15:26,779 --> 01:15:24,780 stuff is connected to the old old tales 1707 01:15:28,790 --> 01:15:26,789 of the Fae and the fair folk you know 1708 01:15:31,219 --> 01:15:28,800 then the Somerset itself is a place 1709 01:15:34,910 --> 01:15:31,229 that's intrinsically tied to the history 1710 01:15:36,859 --> 01:15:34,920 and legends of the Fae well there was 1711 01:15:39,890 --> 01:15:36,869 always the story about how the Fae would 1712 01:15:42,379 --> 01:15:39,900 give you they'd give you garbage and if 1713 01:15:44,509 --> 01:15:42,389 you didn't you know you didn't throw it 1714 01:15:46,580 --> 01:15:44,519 away once you were out of that land it 1715 01:15:48,620 --> 01:15:46,590 would turn to gold and really that's 1716 01:15:51,140 --> 01:15:48,630 sort of what the story of Helier has 1717 01:15:53,810 --> 01:15:51,150 turned into it for us is gold because 1718 01:15:55,430 --> 01:15:53,820 yes it's crazy it's outlandish we don't 1719 01:15:57,379 --> 01:15:55,440 really know what's going on but at the 1720 01:15:59,509 --> 01:15:57,389 same time we're bringing attention to a 1721 01:16:01,520 --> 01:15:59,519 lot of stuff that most people ignore and 1722 01:16:03,439 --> 01:16:01,530 it's changing a lot of people's lives so 1723 01:16:05,540 --> 01:16:03,449 there's a weird allegorical thing 1724 01:16:07,759 --> 01:16:05,550 happening there with the fact that the 1725 01:16:11,029 --> 01:16:07,769 universe is giving us trash to send 1726 01:16:12,620 --> 01:16:11,039 messages I wanted to ask you when we 1727 01:16:15,919 --> 01:16:12,630 come back we're gonna talk about pan 1728 01:16:19,100 --> 01:16:15,929 because that's the other for me one of 1729 01:16:21,859 --> 01:16:19,110 the things that really got fascinating 1730 01:16:24,949 --> 01:16:21,869 but twisted too as well and we'll come 1731 01:16:27,140 --> 01:16:24,959 back to that but how many I mean you 1732 01:16:29,299 --> 01:16:27,150 guys obviously are following up on one 1733 01:16:32,419 --> 01:16:29,309 clue and one synchronicity after another 1734 01:16:33,709 --> 01:16:32,429 how many were left on the table still I 1735 01:16:36,770 --> 01:16:33,719 mean because you only have so much time 1736 01:16:41,479 --> 01:16:36,780 in the day there's there's still a lot 1737 01:16:44,149 --> 01:16:41,489 that that we can follow up on and I mean 1738 01:16:46,009 --> 01:16:44,159 there's also there's a lot that have 1739 01:16:48,199 --> 01:16:46,019 kind of grown and progressed that we can 1740 01:16:50,750 --> 01:16:48,209 kind of continue investigating and 1741 01:16:53,689 --> 01:16:50,760 continue kind of digging into so there's 1742 01:16:56,629 --> 01:16:53,699 a there's a lot that's still remaining 1743 01:16:57,319 --> 01:16:56,639 that definitely would will require our 1744 01:16:59,569 --> 01:16:57,329 attention 1745 01:17:01,580 --> 01:16:59,579 I'd say people have seen maybe 50% of 1746 01:17:04,200 --> 01:17:01,590 the stuff that happened yeah yeah and 1747 01:17:07,740 --> 01:17:04,210 how comfortable are you 1748 01:17:11,240 --> 01:17:07,750 going and investigating the the twisted 1749 01:17:15,560 --> 01:17:11,250 aspects of this and I'm talking about 1750 01:17:19,410 --> 01:17:15,570 sexual rituals and an underground secret 1751 01:17:21,090 --> 01:17:19,420 society things that are possibly going 1752 01:17:24,120 --> 01:17:21,100 on out there is that something that 1753 01:17:27,390 --> 01:17:24,130 you're comfortable in and diving into or 1754 01:17:29,610 --> 01:17:27,400 are you gonna back off no I'm not 1755 01:17:31,530 --> 01:17:29,620 comfortable diving into it I mean I 1756 01:17:33,570 --> 01:17:31,540 don't think we have much of a choice in 1757 01:17:36,510 --> 01:17:33,580 anything that we do anymore I think that 1758 01:17:39,480 --> 01:17:36,520 stuff is is where we've been pushed 1759 01:17:41,640 --> 01:17:39,490 through this entire case there's some 1760 01:17:44,130 --> 01:17:41,650 other force pushing us to do this stuff 1761 01:17:47,310 --> 01:17:44,140 so we just go where we're led to find 1762 01:17:49,980 --> 01:17:47,320 what we need to find and I don't know if 1763 01:17:52,680 --> 01:17:49,990 we have a choice it's uh it's like I 1764 01:17:55,800 --> 01:17:52,690 said it's just too creepy but it's one 1765 01:17:56,970 --> 01:17:55,810 of those subjects that and I don't care 1766 01:18:00,180 --> 01:17:56,980 if you're talking about you know 1767 01:18:02,660 --> 01:18:00,190 Rosemary's Baby or Eyes Wide Shut or you 1768 01:18:05,760 --> 01:18:02,670 know it's it's it's a subject that 1769 01:18:09,210 --> 01:18:05,770 nobody is comfortable with but here you 1770 01:18:11,520 --> 01:18:09,220 are presented with these breadcrumbs 1771 01:18:14,880 --> 01:18:11,530 pushing you in this direction and you're 1772 01:18:18,600 --> 01:18:14,890 not in control of it yeah I mean and at 1773 01:18:20,970 --> 01:18:18,610 that point you know it's a very it's a 1774 01:18:22,890 --> 01:18:20,980 very weird feeling knowing that this is 1775 01:18:25,350 --> 01:18:22,900 happening in this small community too 1776 01:18:27,990 --> 01:18:25,360 that this is like for the most part 1777 01:18:29,430 --> 01:18:28,000 you've been able to validate a lot of 1778 01:18:32,460 --> 01:18:29,440 what these people are telling you and 1779 01:18:36,090 --> 01:18:32,470 you know that it's existing underneath 1780 01:18:37,860 --> 01:18:36,100 this kind of image of this small town in 1781 01:18:39,960 --> 01:18:37,870 Kentucky that there's this kind of 1782 01:18:42,330 --> 01:18:39,970 darkness laying right under the surface 1783 01:18:45,330 --> 01:18:42,340 and that is a debt it's it's a feeling 1784 01:18:48,240 --> 01:18:45,340 that stays with you and when you're in 1785 01:18:50,160 --> 01:18:48,250 those spaces you if you're if you have 1786 01:18:52,200 --> 01:18:50,170 the ability to kind of feel your 1787 01:18:55,110 --> 01:18:52,210 environment that's it they feel very 1788 01:18:56,700 --> 01:18:55,120 oppressive and and very scary let's take 1789 01:18:58,890 --> 01:18:56,710 our break right here our guest tonight 1790 01:19:01,200 --> 01:18:58,900 Greg and Dana Newkirk we're talking 1791 01:19:03,480 --> 01:19:01,210 about a hell your season too all the 1792 01:19:05,880 --> 01:19:03,490 links for Hellyer are up in twitter 1793 01:19:08,100 --> 01:19:05,890 right now and you can also go to hell 1794 01:19:11,149 --> 01:19:08,110 your TV and the links for that over to 1795 01:19:12,679 --> 01:19:11,159 maturity or com just click and go and 1796 01:19:13,780 --> 01:19:12,689 get out after the show tonight we'll be 1797 01:19:25,620 --> 01:19:13,790 right back stay with us 1798 01:19:29,290 --> 01:19:27,880 welcome back faith the black coming to 1799 01:19:30,850 --> 01:19:29,300 church so I guess tonight Greg in Dayton 1800 01:19:34,120 --> 01:19:30,860 a new Kirk we're talking about Hellyer 1801 01:19:36,130 --> 01:19:34,130 to season two of Hellyer it's out now 1802 01:19:40,240 --> 01:19:36,140 it's on Amazon if you have Amazon it's 1803 01:19:42,580 --> 01:19:40,250 free just click and and being that's 1804 01:19:46,690 --> 01:19:42,590 what you want to do a couple of quick 1805 01:19:48,340 --> 01:19:46,700 questions about the series for me we 1806 01:19:49,690 --> 01:19:48,350 talked about the production value in the 1807 01:19:52,660 --> 01:19:49,700 way it's shot the graphics are 1808 01:19:57,580 --> 01:19:52,670 incredible but the music is is so 1809 01:19:59,950 --> 01:19:57,590 central in the sound scapes that what is 1810 01:20:00,340 --> 01:19:59,960 it Carl that is responsible for all of 1811 01:20:05,350 --> 01:20:00,350 that 1812 01:20:07,930 --> 01:20:05,360 scenic painting actually is it's at 1813 01:20:10,840 --> 01:20:07,940 Anthony Syst own Anthony's the stone did 1814 01:20:13,630 --> 01:20:10,850 the original score for the series Carl 1815 01:20:15,610 --> 01:20:13,640 did a lot of the ambient music but the 1816 01:20:18,850 --> 01:20:15,620 actual score itself was done by Anthony 1817 01:20:21,490 --> 01:20:18,860 and it's unbelievable it's it's so 1818 01:20:23,710 --> 01:20:21,500 unbelievably great I always kind of feel 1819 01:20:25,290 --> 01:20:23,720 like the the soundtrack in the score 1820 01:20:27,340 --> 01:20:25,300 sort of feels like at the other 1821 01:20:29,110 --> 01:20:27,350 character the other person that's 1822 01:20:30,520 --> 01:20:29,120 investigating with us because it just it 1823 01:20:34,120 --> 01:20:30,530 you're right it just feels like it's 1824 01:20:38,760 --> 01:20:34,130 it's this it's a part of it it's my 1825 01:20:44,890 --> 01:20:41,590 okay let me ask you this 1826 01:20:48,460 --> 01:20:44,900 there's in episode 10 when the tones are 1827 01:20:50,170 --> 01:20:48,470 being played and everybody is physically 1828 01:20:55,510 --> 01:20:50,180 affected Greg you've got your head in 1829 01:20:57,820 --> 01:20:55,520 your hands at one point during that and 1830 01:21:01,000 --> 01:20:57,830 which apparently went on for 30 minutes 1831 01:21:04,750 --> 01:21:01,010 obviously it's it's cut back for the for 1832 01:21:06,400 --> 01:21:04,760 the series for the episode but why why 1833 01:21:10,540 --> 01:21:06,410 didn't you feel that you were affected 1834 01:21:13,840 --> 01:21:10,550 in in such a way most of that honestly 1835 01:21:17,140 --> 01:21:13,850 was was sort of recovering from the way 1836 01:21:18,060 --> 01:21:17,150 I felt after the invocation it was 1837 01:21:21,490 --> 01:21:18,070 something that was extremely 1838 01:21:22,620 --> 01:21:21,500 overpowering and I'd never experienced 1839 01:21:26,020 --> 01:21:22,630 anything like it before 1840 01:21:27,730 --> 01:21:26,030 and then that coupled with the tones 1841 01:21:29,230 --> 01:21:27,740 which sort of made everyone in the in 1842 01:21:30,820 --> 01:21:29,240 the group nauseous there was just 1843 01:21:33,880 --> 01:21:30,830 something strange and otherworldly about 1844 01:21:35,560 --> 01:21:33,890 them it was just a lot to handle both of 1845 01:21:38,410 --> 01:21:35,570 those things at once yeah 1846 01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:38,420 Oh Dana I was just gonna ask you whose 1847 01:21:46,900 --> 01:21:42,410 idea was it for the tones it the tones 1848 01:21:49,060 --> 01:21:46,910 actually came about because of a really 1849 01:21:51,580 --> 01:21:49,070 bizarre asked his method session that we 1850 01:21:53,800 --> 01:21:51,590 had done where that we were picking up 1851 01:21:57,430 --> 01:21:53,810 on the sound of these tones and so it 1852 01:21:59,110 --> 01:21:57,440 became a really interesting idea to kind 1853 01:22:00,550 --> 01:21:59,120 of like what would happen if we played 1854 01:22:03,360 --> 01:22:00,560 them in the caves what would happen if 1855 01:22:05,620 --> 01:22:03,370 we overlaid them what would happen if we 1856 01:22:07,590 --> 01:22:05,630 utilized them for something like this so 1857 01:22:09,550 --> 01:22:07,600 they really became like a focal point of 1858 01:22:13,090 --> 01:22:09,560 what we were doing in the caves 1859 01:22:15,790 --> 01:22:13,100 specifically because you were affected - 1860 01:22:18,070 --> 01:22:15,800 you said I feel nauseous oh yeah I felt 1861 01:22:21,550 --> 01:22:18,080 I felt very nauseous 1862 01:22:25,900 --> 01:22:21,560 I felt very uneasy very kind of confused 1863 01:22:29,710 --> 01:22:25,910 almost um like I was underwater and it 1864 01:22:31,090 --> 01:22:29,720 definitely it wasn't I think in you know 1865 01:22:34,680 --> 01:22:31,100 because we didn't play it for like a 1866 01:22:36,820 --> 01:22:34,690 solid chunk of time in the beginning I 1867 01:22:39,070 --> 01:22:36,830 wondered if it wasn't just sort of 1868 01:22:40,570 --> 01:22:39,080 getting used to the acoustics of the 1869 01:22:42,310 --> 01:22:40,580 space that we were in and having this 1870 01:22:45,090 --> 01:22:42,320 really weird sound being projected in 1871 01:22:48,220 --> 01:22:45,100 there but it it was consistent it was a 1872 01:22:50,680 --> 01:22:48,230 nauseous feeling it was confusion and 1873 01:22:51,940 --> 01:22:50,690 kind of very very out of it it's 1874 01:22:53,979 --> 01:22:51,950 probably the best way to describe it and 1875 01:22:55,840 --> 01:22:53,989 some of the more logical kind of 1876 01:22:57,370 --> 01:22:55,850 grounded people like Connor for instance 1877 01:22:59,979 --> 01:22:57,380 Connor was kind of feeling weird and 1878 01:23:01,660 --> 01:22:59,989 everyone just had a very strange uneasy 1879 01:23:03,100 --> 01:23:01,670 feeling while they were being played now 1880 01:23:08,830 --> 01:23:03,110 tell me the truth 1881 01:23:12,790 --> 01:23:08,840 - Greg Yaak he he didn't surprisingly I 1882 01:23:14,830 --> 01:23:12,800 thought he was going to that section of 1883 01:23:16,690 --> 01:23:14,840 the episode kind of takes its toll on 1884 01:23:18,729 --> 01:23:16,700 Greg but I was pretty pretty much 1885 01:23:20,229 --> 01:23:18,739 convinced that the bread that we were 1886 01:23:27,130 --> 01:23:20,239 breaking at that point in time was going 1887 01:23:31,900 --> 01:23:27,140 to end up I thought Greg departed to yak 1888 01:23:34,060 --> 01:23:31,910 and and Greg probably could've he maybe 1889 01:23:37,090 --> 01:23:34,070 just kept it from the rest of us 1890 01:23:40,120 --> 01:23:37,100 I mean Greg were you close that's the 1891 01:23:45,130 --> 01:23:40,130 way it came across I wasn't so much 1892 01:23:48,570 --> 01:23:45,140 nauseous as I was just its I was like I 1893 01:23:53,300 --> 01:23:48,580 was shaking I was actually shaking and 1894 01:23:56,189 --> 01:23:53,310 it was like a rush of adrenaline and 1895 01:23:58,080 --> 01:23:56,199 it's really hard to describe that was an 1896 01:24:01,770 --> 01:23:58,090 intense scene man that was a very 1897 01:24:03,360 --> 01:24:01,780 intense scene it was Tyler wasn't it 1898 01:24:04,110 --> 01:24:03,370 that kind of brought you guys back to 1899 01:24:06,750 --> 01:24:04,120 your senses 1900 01:24:09,479 --> 01:24:06,760 I hope he's listening right now oh I'm 1901 01:24:12,479 --> 01:24:09,489 sure he is hi Tyler it was that was such 1902 01:24:14,790 --> 01:24:12,489 a great moment because he just he he was 1903 01:24:17,970 --> 01:24:14,800 the perfect person in that moment to 1904 01:24:20,220 --> 01:24:17,980 break the vibe that we were stuck in and 1905 01:24:24,630 --> 01:24:20,230 to remind us what we were supposed to be 1906 01:24:26,850 --> 01:24:24,640 doing and it was like honestly it was 1907 01:24:30,300 --> 01:24:26,860 like getting hit with a sack of bricks 1908 01:24:32,820 --> 01:24:30,310 because I I just was like wait he's 1909 01:24:35,160 --> 01:24:32,830 right he's absolutely right like it was 1910 01:24:36,600 --> 01:24:35,170 so strange that none of us had come to 1911 01:24:39,630 --> 01:24:36,610 that conclusion but it was just this 1912 01:24:42,270 --> 01:24:39,640 light bulb moment and it was it was 1913 01:24:44,640 --> 01:24:42,280 perfect yeah he was rah rah team after 1914 01:24:48,919 --> 01:24:44,650 that I went outside and cut the grass 1915 01:24:53,430 --> 01:24:48,929 [Laughter] 1916 01:24:55,950 --> 01:24:53,440 okay all right a bead series to Tyler 1917 01:24:58,220 --> 01:24:55,960 that was a good that was a good that was 1918 01:25:00,750 --> 01:24:58,230 a good speech I was a really good speech 1919 01:25:02,729 --> 01:25:00,760 and you could tell he was also as 1920 01:25:03,870 --> 01:25:02,739 stressed out as everybody else was and 1921 01:25:06,510 --> 01:25:03,880 he's like you know what I'm not I'm not 1922 01:25:09,149 --> 01:25:06,520 gonna do this you know it was a that was 1923 01:25:11,700 --> 01:25:09,159 really strong it's the thing about 1924 01:25:13,410 --> 01:25:11,710 palyer is it's a journey an individual 1925 01:25:14,700 --> 01:25:13,420 journey for each and every one of us and 1926 01:25:17,640 --> 01:25:14,710 it's an individual journey for the 1927 01:25:18,990 --> 01:25:17,650 viewers too and at that moment you had a 1928 01:25:21,240 --> 01:25:19,000 bunch of people from very different 1929 01:25:23,790 --> 01:25:21,250 belief systems doing something that they 1930 01:25:26,640 --> 01:25:23,800 may not have really anticipated or 1931 01:25:30,840 --> 01:25:26,650 agreed with for results that maybe they 1932 01:25:33,240 --> 01:25:30,850 didn't anticipate and Tyler really in 1933 01:25:35,669 --> 01:25:33,250 that moment when we were all feeling you 1934 01:25:37,229 --> 01:25:35,679 know ultimate frustration really 1935 01:25:41,160 --> 01:25:37,239 reminded us that what we're doing is 1936 01:25:43,470 --> 01:25:41,170 beautiful and the journey is beautiful 1937 01:25:45,450 --> 01:25:43,480 and brought us all back to a really good 1938 01:25:48,000 --> 01:25:45,460 headspace where we might have walked out 1939 01:25:50,640 --> 01:25:48,010 of that cave a lot more frustrated if he 1940 01:25:55,229 --> 01:25:50,650 hadn't been there now I want to talk 1941 01:25:57,650 --> 01:25:55,239 about Pam and the again the 1942 01:26:01,010 --> 01:25:57,660 synchronicities that weave their way 1943 01:26:04,300 --> 01:26:01,020 in and out of Helier and in season two 1944 01:26:08,030 --> 01:26:04,310 are pretty extraordinary and pan 1945 01:26:14,120 --> 01:26:08,040 especially by the end of the series I 1946 01:26:16,790 --> 01:26:14,130 was really I was stressed out I was 1947 01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:16,800 stressed out because even for you guys I 1948 01:26:23,660 --> 01:26:20,400 remember watching Dana as this pan stuff 1949 01:26:25,550 --> 01:26:23,670 started to show itself I was getting 1950 01:26:28,160 --> 01:26:25,560 pretty uncomfortable with that no it's 1951 01:26:29,690 --> 01:26:28,170 another element that isn't related to 1952 01:26:31,670 --> 01:26:29,700 everything else that has been happening 1953 01:26:34,100 --> 01:26:31,680 but then you find out that it actually 1954 01:26:38,000 --> 01:26:34,110 is yeah right 1955 01:26:40,760 --> 01:26:38,010 and Greg did you know about pan before 1956 01:26:43,040 --> 01:26:40,770 all of this showed itself I mean I don't 1957 01:26:46,060 --> 01:26:43,050 think any more than most other people 1958 01:26:49,280 --> 01:26:46,070 but it became pretty clear to us I mean 1959 01:26:51,110 --> 01:26:49,290 if you watch the climax of season one 1960 01:26:53,330 --> 01:26:51,120 you'll notice that what's happening in 1961 01:26:55,850 --> 01:26:53,340 that tunnel we start to get this idea 1962 01:26:57,050 --> 01:26:55,860 that we're talking to something old 1963 01:26:58,370 --> 01:26:57,060 we're somehow communicating with 1964 01:27:00,620 --> 01:26:58,380 something old that feels like it's 1965 01:27:02,870 --> 01:27:00,630 asleep and maybe it's just waking up and 1966 01:27:04,490 --> 01:27:02,880 we didn't really know it's funny we even 1967 01:27:06,170 --> 01:27:04,500 had conversations and arguments about 1968 01:27:08,240 --> 01:27:06,180 whether to even include that because it 1969 01:27:12,890 --> 01:27:08,250 seems so weird and out of left field but 1970 01:27:16,040 --> 01:27:12,900 it we felt so strongly about that we we 1971 01:27:19,280 --> 01:27:16,050 kept it in and now I'm really glad we 1972 01:27:20,630 --> 01:27:19,290 did because what it seemed what 1973 01:27:23,570 --> 01:27:20,640 everything seems to point to is that 1974 01:27:29,630 --> 01:27:23,580 there are some greater intelligence that 1975 01:27:32,890 --> 01:27:29,640 has been guiding this group of people to 1976 01:27:35,330 --> 01:27:32,900 raise awareness about its existence and 1977 01:27:38,060 --> 01:27:35,340 there's a lot of ways that we come to 1978 01:27:39,560 --> 01:27:38,070 this conclusion some very again 1979 01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:39,570 undeniable ways we come to this 1980 01:27:44,480 --> 01:27:42,330 conclusion and you can call you know pan 1981 01:27:46,340 --> 01:27:44,490 was a Greek god he was the Greek god of 1982 01:27:51,770 --> 01:27:46,350 caves he was the Greek god of the 1983 01:27:52,910 --> 01:27:51,780 wilderness of liminal places but we just 1984 01:27:54,830 --> 01:27:52,920 used that in a way where it's like 1985 01:27:56,750 --> 01:27:54,840 that's just one of the masks that the 1986 01:27:58,340 --> 01:27:56,760 phenomena wears and there have been tons 1987 01:28:00,530 --> 01:27:58,350 of different masks this phenomenal 1988 01:28:02,660 --> 01:28:00,540 where's and we're just calling it pan 1989 01:28:04,880 --> 01:28:02,670 because pan stands for all everything 1990 01:28:06,380 --> 01:28:04,890 and it seems like that's sort of this 1991 01:28:07,670 --> 01:28:06,390 intelligence that's there this 1992 01:28:09,550 --> 01:28:07,680 intelligence that has to do with 1993 01:28:13,300 --> 01:28:09,560 everything 1994 01:28:17,170 --> 01:28:13,310 and you know pan was the only Greek god 1995 01:28:19,150 --> 01:28:17,180 that was pronounced dead and so it seems 1996 01:28:20,860 --> 01:28:19,160 like what's happening now and I think 1997 01:28:25,510 --> 01:28:20,870 other people are experiencing this too 1998 01:28:28,120 --> 01:28:25,520 is pan whoever or whatever it is is 1999 01:28:31,630 --> 01:28:28,130 starting to wake up and we're just sort 2000 01:28:35,560 --> 01:28:31,640 of on the edge of that and how about you 2001 01:28:39,160 --> 01:28:35,570 Dana you know throughout your life and 2002 01:28:42,730 --> 01:28:39,170 and what you do with magic was pan 2003 01:28:47,080 --> 01:28:42,740 always there did you know the history of 2004 01:28:48,820 --> 01:28:47,090 pan yeah probably a little bit more than 2005 01:28:51,550 --> 01:28:48,830 Greg maybe the rest of the group at that 2006 01:28:54,130 --> 01:28:51,560 point in time just because pan is so is 2007 01:28:59,680 --> 01:28:54,140 such a figure throughout the Pagan 2008 01:29:01,750 --> 01:28:59,690 community and being a solitary folk 2009 01:29:04,510 --> 01:29:01,760 magic practitioner and a hedge which I 2010 01:29:06,190 --> 01:29:04,520 work a lot with nature and and with the 2011 01:29:09,070 --> 01:29:06,200 wilds and I spend a lot of time in 2012 01:29:11,500 --> 01:29:09,080 nature and that's really a huge aspect 2013 01:29:17,170 --> 01:29:11,510 of my spirituality so pan is definitely 2014 01:29:21,790 --> 01:29:17,180 a figure and he's an archetype of the 2015 01:29:23,590 --> 01:29:21,800 wilds and I was pretty comfortable with 2016 01:29:26,710 --> 01:29:23,600 the concept of pan but then you know 2017 01:29:30,310 --> 01:29:26,720 having Greg make all of these massive 2018 01:29:33,130 --> 01:29:30,320 connections it just it blew it you know 2019 01:29:35,110 --> 01:29:33,140 up even more in my mind and so it was it 2020 01:29:38,140 --> 01:29:35,120 was a really fascinating thing to see 2021 01:29:40,240 --> 01:29:38,150 this this archetype or this deity that I 2022 01:29:43,420 --> 01:29:40,250 had always kind of felt very comfortable 2023 01:29:47,470 --> 01:29:43,430 with seeing that with a whole new set of 2024 01:29:53,770 --> 01:29:47,480 eyes was really fascinating and I want 2025 01:29:59,380 --> 01:29:53,780 to talk about Connor Connor bless your 2026 01:30:02,110 --> 01:29:59,390 heart man when these when these numbers 2027 01:30:04,600 --> 01:30:02,120 were first sent to you and I still 2028 01:30:06,610 --> 01:30:04,610 believe and this isn't a spoiler I still 2029 01:30:10,720 --> 01:30:06,620 believe that the coordinate aspect of it 2030 01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:10,730 is as part of it I do believe that those 2031 01:30:18,100 --> 01:30:13,370 are coordinates but conveniently enough 2032 01:30:21,790 --> 01:30:18,110 that sequence of numbers is 2033 01:30:27,280 --> 01:30:21,800 is a chosen sequence that represents 2034 01:30:30,070 --> 01:30:27,290 both coordinates and a few other things 2035 01:30:32,290 --> 01:30:30,080 but it took Connor not we're not going 2036 01:30:34,840 --> 01:30:32,300 to spoil anything here but it took 2037 01:30:36,910 --> 01:30:34,850 Connors due diligence him and his 2038 01:30:41,280 --> 01:30:36,920 girlfriend to take a second look at 2039 01:30:44,620 --> 01:30:41,290 these and Al came into play too as well 2040 01:30:47,590 --> 01:30:44,630 so let's talk about that moment when and 2041 01:30:52,150 --> 01:30:47,600 when Connor lays this out did you have 2042 01:30:55,780 --> 01:30:52,160 any idea where he was about to lead you 2043 01:30:57,490 --> 01:30:55,790 with this reveal it was it was 2044 01:30:59,380 --> 01:30:57,500 interesting Greg and I will probably 2045 01:31:02,110 --> 01:30:59,390 have different answers for this and and 2046 01:31:03,930 --> 01:31:02,120 it's not evident in the episode just 2047 01:31:07,060 --> 01:31:03,940 because we don't talk about it but I 2048 01:31:09,730 --> 01:31:07,070 Connor came to me when he finally came 2049 01:31:12,490 --> 01:31:09,740 to this revelation in this conclusion a 2050 01:31:13,840 --> 01:31:12,500 few days before he can't he brought that 2051 01:31:15,340 --> 01:31:13,850 information to the rest of the team 2052 01:31:17,980 --> 01:31:15,350 because he there there was a lot of 2053 01:31:19,480 --> 01:31:17,990 confusion for him because he doesn't 2054 01:31:21,400 --> 01:31:19,490 have any kind of a background and 2055 01:31:22,810 --> 01:31:21,410 anything that has to do with magic or 2056 01:31:25,780 --> 01:31:22,820 witchcraft or the occult or anything 2057 01:31:30,640 --> 01:31:25,790 like that so he really wanted my opinion 2058 01:31:31,720 --> 01:31:30,650 and so for me I I mean I was literally 2059 01:31:33,850 --> 01:31:31,730 knocked off my feet 2060 01:31:35,200 --> 01:31:33,860 I couldn't danny was insufferable I'm 2061 01:31:37,510 --> 01:31:35,210 just gonna jump in Danny was 2062 01:31:39,760 --> 01:31:37,520 insufferable because she's like Connors 2063 01:31:41,650 --> 01:31:39,770 gonna call me I need to have the room to 2064 01:31:43,990 --> 01:31:41,660 myself and like wait what what's going 2065 01:31:45,730 --> 01:31:44,000 on Connor and I had lots of secret 2066 01:31:47,230 --> 01:31:45,740 meetings where we sat down and discussed 2067 01:31:48,880 --> 01:31:47,240 a lot of it before it was actually 2068 01:31:51,670 --> 01:31:48,890 brought to the rest of the team and Dana 2069 01:31:54,010 --> 01:31:51,680 would just pace through the house going 2070 01:31:55,630 --> 01:31:54,020 oh my god oh man you're gonna lose your 2071 01:31:56,770 --> 01:31:55,640 mind you're gonna lose your mind I'm 2072 01:31:58,330 --> 01:31:56,780 like what are you talking about she's 2073 01:32:00,340 --> 01:31:58,340 like I can't tell you yet I can't tell 2074 01:32:03,490 --> 01:32:00,350 you yet Connor is gonna tell everybody 2075 01:32:07,750 --> 01:32:03,500 in Detroit and I had to deal with this 2076 01:32:12,040 --> 01:32:07,760 four days of her like talking to Connor 2077 01:32:14,620 --> 01:32:12,050 talking to John Tenney discussing these 2078 01:32:16,840 --> 01:32:14,630 numbers and what they ultimately meant 2079 01:32:20,050 --> 01:32:16,850 without knowing so I didn't have any 2080 01:32:21,700 --> 01:32:20,060 idea and Dana was just you could tell 2081 01:32:24,460 --> 01:32:21,710 there was a weight on her shoulder you 2082 01:32:27,160 --> 01:32:24,470 can see you know what's really funny is 2083 01:32:28,940 --> 01:32:27,170 she's sitting there in Detroit she knows 2084 01:32:30,650 --> 01:32:28,950 right yeah yeah 2085 01:32:32,660 --> 01:32:30,660 she's keeping her mouth you could tell 2086 01:32:37,010 --> 01:32:32,670 she's biting her lip and she's just 2087 01:32:41,420 --> 01:32:37,020 allowing Connor and John Tenney to 2088 01:32:43,880 --> 01:32:41,430 because you have to explain this slowly 2089 01:32:47,150 --> 01:32:43,890 you can't just go this is what it is and 2090 01:32:49,190 --> 01:32:47,160 here's the end you've got to explain you 2091 01:32:53,230 --> 01:32:49,200 know how you get from point A to point B 2092 01:32:56,480 --> 01:32:53,240 with the number sequence and she behaves 2093 01:32:59,180 --> 01:32:56,490 it was I mean it was really it was a big 2094 01:33:02,330 --> 01:32:59,190 important moment and Connor had spent so 2095 01:33:04,580 --> 01:33:02,340 long at this point in time just 2096 01:33:06,350 --> 01:33:04,590 obsessing over these numbers and trying 2097 01:33:10,010 --> 01:33:06,360 to figure out what they meant and and 2098 01:33:12,380 --> 01:33:10,020 what to do with them and so I I was just 2099 01:33:14,120 --> 01:33:12,390 glad to have been someone that he came 2100 01:33:16,820 --> 01:33:14,130 to when he finally did come to his 2101 01:33:19,400 --> 01:33:16,830 conclusion to cut that he came to to 2102 01:33:22,340 --> 01:33:19,410 kind of bounce ideas off of to see if if 2103 01:33:23,510 --> 01:33:22,350 I thought that what he had come the 2104 01:33:26,900 --> 01:33:23,520 conclusion that he had come to was 2105 01:33:28,520 --> 01:33:26,910 correct and so I the first thing I did 2106 01:33:31,040 --> 01:33:28,530 was I ran out and bought a bunch of 2107 01:33:32,840 --> 01:33:31,050 different books that kind of the team 2108 01:33:34,510 --> 01:33:32,850 could jump directly into so if you see 2109 01:33:37,850 --> 01:33:34,520 it in that moment I'm kind of like 2110 01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:37,860 Connors emotional support person and I'm 2111 01:33:42,740 --> 01:33:40,770 just like handing him books just every 2112 01:33:44,390 --> 01:33:42,750 few every every time he gets to another 2113 01:33:45,860 --> 01:33:44,400 aspect in the sequence I'm like here's 2114 01:33:49,550 --> 01:33:45,870 another book give him this book the mid 2115 01:33:51,680 --> 01:33:49,560 so I did my best to let Connor explain 2116 01:33:58,370 --> 01:33:51,690 it because he did it so masterfully and 2117 01:34:02,480 --> 01:33:58,380 now it's this for me at that moment it 2118 01:34:07,060 --> 01:34:02,490 wasn't the number sequence of course it 2119 01:34:11,660 --> 01:34:07,070 was but it wasn't that and it wasn't the 2120 01:34:14,720 --> 01:34:11,670 the brown mountain logistics of it 2121 01:34:19,670 --> 01:34:14,730 it but it was that but it's for 18 it's 2122 01:34:23,000 --> 01:34:19,680 31 it's 93 it's 39 and a whole list of 2123 01:34:25,670 --> 01:34:23,010 other things all piled into one in one 2124 01:34:28,280 --> 01:34:25,680 number sequence that's when you have to 2125 01:34:32,480 --> 01:34:28,290 say this is beyond coincidence this is 2126 01:34:34,790 --> 01:34:32,490 this is ridiculous and as the viewer you 2127 01:34:38,390 --> 01:34:34,800 have to sit back and go that this is 2128 01:34:41,690 --> 01:34:38,400 this is crazy and again all of that 2129 01:34:42,610 --> 01:34:41,700 moment in Detroit goes back to the 2130 01:34:46,450 --> 01:34:42,620 original 2131 01:34:49,390 --> 01:34:46,460 email hey you guys were kids as ghost 2132 01:34:52,410 --> 01:34:49,400 hunters what a journey that's it that's 2133 01:34:54,970 --> 01:34:52,420 an incredible powerful moment in Detroit 2134 01:34:56,260 --> 01:34:54,980 yeah hidden in plain sight and I mean I 2135 01:34:59,500 --> 01:34:56,270 think that's the interesting thing about 2136 01:35:01,300 --> 01:34:59,510 what we're showing with that you know 2137 01:35:05,260 --> 01:35:01,310 that ultimate moment in that last 2138 01:35:07,810 --> 01:35:05,270 episode is it doesn't matter how many 2139 01:35:09,940 --> 01:35:07,820 dead ends you get to if you are put on a 2140 01:35:12,310 --> 01:35:09,950 path if you are if you are part of a 2141 01:35:14,200 --> 01:35:12,320 call you will get to where you're 2142 01:35:16,530 --> 01:35:14,210 supposed to go and the universe will 2143 01:35:19,480 --> 01:35:16,540 provide you with the right path and 2144 01:35:21,730 --> 01:35:19,490 constantly tell you to keep going if 2145 01:35:23,890 --> 01:35:21,740 there's anything that we have gotten out 2146 01:35:26,710 --> 01:35:23,900 of this case over the last two years in 2147 01:35:30,130 --> 01:35:26,720 particular it has been constant messages 2148 01:35:33,630 --> 01:35:30,140 whether it is a psychic image of a tin 2149 01:35:38,110 --> 01:35:33,640 can that comes true whether it is a 2150 01:35:41,200 --> 01:35:38,120 balloons at at coordinate points there 2151 01:35:42,910 --> 01:35:41,210 are messages that are saying keep going 2152 01:35:45,040 --> 01:35:42,920 because this is leading somewhere 2153 01:35:49,540 --> 01:35:45,050 important and that's really what that 2154 01:35:52,060 --> 01:35:49,550 last episode of Helier 2 is about is no 2155 01:35:54,100 --> 01:35:52,070 matter what you're doing as long as 2156 01:35:56,290 --> 01:35:54,110 you're making movement as long as 2157 01:35:57,430 --> 01:35:56,300 there's momentum the universe will push 2158 01:36:01,170 --> 01:35:57,440 you in the direction you're supposed to 2159 01:36:05,170 --> 01:36:01,180 go well just like the ending of season 1 2160 01:36:08,860 --> 01:36:05,180 at the end of season 2 although there 2161 01:36:13,650 --> 01:36:08,870 were so many things that were resolved 2162 01:36:17,710 --> 01:36:13,660 but now you are presented with a 2163 01:36:20,680 --> 01:36:17,720 continuation aren't you yeah yeah yeah I 2164 01:36:22,720 --> 01:36:20,690 think I think what we're at where we 2165 01:36:25,540 --> 01:36:22,730 land at the end of season 2 is basically 2166 01:36:27,340 --> 01:36:25,550 going this is all the things that we 2167 01:36:30,070 --> 01:36:27,350 learned that we did not have access to 2168 01:36:32,920 --> 01:36:30,080 two years ago we have a whole box of 2169 01:36:35,080 --> 01:36:32,930 tools at our disposal that are frankly 2170 01:36:37,450 --> 01:36:35,090 brand-new that people have not been 2171 01:36:39,520 --> 01:36:37,460 using for paranormal research and we can 2172 01:36:42,430 --> 01:36:39,530 go and we can look at maps and we can 2173 01:36:44,680 --> 01:36:42,440 use you know particular power names and 2174 01:36:47,740 --> 01:36:44,690 we can use things like the estus method 2175 01:36:49,300 --> 01:36:47,750 and hypnotism and the god helmet we can 2176 01:36:52,570 --> 01:36:49,310 use these different tools that we didn't 2177 01:36:54,820 --> 01:36:52,580 have in order to close in even closer on 2178 01:36:56,530 --> 01:36:54,830 the phenomena going forward and that 2179 01:36:58,120 --> 01:36:56,540 really feels like what this and 2180 01:37:00,640 --> 01:36:58,130 tired journey has been about has been 2181 01:37:05,140 --> 01:37:00,650 providing us with the the tools that we 2182 01:37:07,600 --> 01:37:05,150 need to break through to the next the 2183 01:37:12,310 --> 01:37:07,610 next chapter and and Dana how do you 2184 01:37:16,090 --> 01:37:12,320 feel about that because a during this 2185 01:37:19,360 --> 01:37:16,100 scene in Detroit where maybe you were 2186 01:37:20,580 --> 01:37:19,370 hoping that you guys are gonna wind this 2187 01:37:24,460 --> 01:37:20,590 thing down 2188 01:37:26,920 --> 01:37:24,470 you guys can't now you are presented 2189 01:37:30,070 --> 01:37:26,930 with and I'm not going to say what was 2190 01:37:32,770 --> 01:37:30,080 what went down in that room but there is 2191 01:37:34,450 --> 01:37:32,780 two seasons of Hellyer that was just 2192 01:37:36,700 --> 01:37:34,460 dropped in your lap that you're gonna 2193 01:37:42,300 --> 01:37:36,710 have to go and film are you ready for 2194 01:37:45,960 --> 01:37:42,310 this I I think it's so hard I think I 2195 01:37:49,540 --> 01:37:45,970 that we have to and I know that we will 2196 01:37:53,640 --> 01:37:49,550 we will have to get there and for me 2197 01:37:56,350 --> 01:37:53,650 it's it's going to be a matter of 2198 01:37:58,090 --> 01:37:56,360 understanding what it is exactly that we 2199 01:37:59,920 --> 01:37:58,100 need to be doing at that point if that 2200 01:38:01,960 --> 01:37:59,930 makes sense and for people who've seen 2201 01:38:05,050 --> 01:38:01,970 Hellyer and that will see it maybe that 2202 01:38:06,880 --> 01:38:05,060 will make more sense but it it's 2203 01:38:11,020 --> 01:38:06,890 something I know we will have to do and 2204 01:38:14,260 --> 01:38:11,030 I know that in order to do that we will 2205 01:38:16,390 --> 01:38:14,270 have to work our way towards it and do 2206 01:38:18,130 --> 01:38:16,400 it the proper way because the last thing 2207 01:38:20,500 --> 01:38:18,140 that any of us I think would ever want 2208 01:38:23,530 --> 01:38:20,510 to do would be to do it improperly so 2209 01:38:26,110 --> 01:38:23,540 it's it's going to be a pretty lengthy 2210 01:38:29,890 --> 01:38:26,120 process and I think once we've all had a 2211 01:38:32,530 --> 01:38:29,900 nice emotional emotional break maybe 2212 01:38:37,960 --> 01:38:32,540 yeah I mean as long as however long the 2213 01:38:42,550 --> 01:38:37,970 the phenomena will let us chill out well 2214 01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:42,560 I can especially after season one where 2215 01:38:48,730 --> 01:38:44,690 I if I asked you can things get any 2216 01:38:53,770 --> 01:38:48,740 crazier right and and here we have 2217 01:38:56,410 --> 01:38:53,780 season two can things get crazier than 2218 01:38:59,230 --> 01:38:56,420 what you and the audience just went 2219 01:39:03,460 --> 01:38:59,240 through in season two is that possible 2220 01:39:04,750 --> 01:39:03,470 I'll tell you this we we almost feel 2221 01:39:06,850 --> 01:39:04,760 like there's a checkpoint in what we're 2222 01:39:08,339 --> 01:39:06,860 doing we always joke that the the extra 2223 01:39:10,439 --> 01:39:08,349 producer is the phenomena 2224 01:39:12,750 --> 01:39:10,449 and we always talk about these writers 2225 01:39:14,250 --> 01:39:12,760 you know these that exist somewhere in 2226 01:39:17,459 --> 01:39:14,260 the ether maybe they're the third order 2227 01:39:22,649 --> 01:39:17,469 I don't know that are pushing us along 2228 01:39:26,459 --> 01:39:22,659 this path I is so ironic the way that 2229 01:39:30,209 --> 01:39:26,469 all of this works because not five hours 2230 01:39:33,600 --> 01:39:30,219 after Helier two premiered we received a 2231 01:39:39,240 --> 01:39:33,610 message that contains probably the 2232 01:39:41,669 --> 01:39:39,250 biggest lead that we have had yet it's 2233 01:39:45,510 --> 01:39:41,679 funny how that works man because it can 2234 01:39:48,600 --> 01:39:45,520 get crazier and it's going to I'm going 2235 01:39:51,000 --> 01:39:48,610 to ask you now the both of you we're 2236 01:39:53,100 --> 01:39:51,010 gonna is it okay that we can do some 2237 01:39:54,750 --> 01:39:53,110 overtime there's two things that we 2238 01:39:58,319 --> 01:39:54,760 haven't discussed tonight that are going 2239 01:40:00,750 --> 01:39:58,329 to be fun okay all right because we got 2240 01:40:04,800 --> 01:40:00,760 to talk about Carl and the reclining 2241 01:40:07,919 --> 01:40:04,810 chair Oh Lord okay is it Karl Karl just 2242 01:40:10,080 --> 01:40:07,929 squirmed right now yeah Karl we're yeah 2243 01:40:12,810 --> 01:40:10,090 we are gonna talk about that and we have 2244 01:40:16,350 --> 01:40:12,820 to talk about the regression that 2245 01:40:18,720 --> 01:40:16,360 happened and which is very important on 2246 01:40:20,550 --> 01:40:18,730 so many different fundamental levels and 2247 01:40:25,280 --> 01:40:20,560 I want to actually come back and talk 2248 01:40:30,270 --> 01:40:25,290 about that but before we do is there 2249 01:40:32,939 --> 01:40:30,280 will you guys sell out and what I mean 2250 01:40:35,089 --> 01:40:32,949 what I mean by that is this right you've 2251 01:40:38,030 --> 01:40:35,099 got two very successful series 2252 01:40:40,800 --> 01:40:38,040 underneath you right now and behind you 2253 01:40:42,870 --> 01:40:40,810 right now the world has just opened up 2254 01:40:46,080 --> 01:40:42,880 in front of you you've got so much more 2255 01:40:49,580 --> 01:40:46,090 but with that you know comes the 2256 01:40:53,669 --> 01:40:49,590 contracts or the big money talking guy 2257 01:40:56,250 --> 01:40:53,679 or girl and says okay guys let's let's 2258 01:40:58,560 --> 01:40:56,260 do this but we believe in you your 2259 01:41:00,950 --> 01:40:58,570 superstars everybody you know and 2260 01:41:05,220 --> 01:41:00,960 they're gonna tell you everything that 2261 01:41:07,770 --> 01:41:05,230 you want to hear right is there are you 2262 01:41:09,000 --> 01:41:07,780 going to turn all of that down we're 2263 01:41:10,830 --> 01:41:09,010 very used to that by now 2264 01:41:13,890 --> 01:41:10,840 and we've turned it down a lot we turned 2265 01:41:16,169 --> 01:41:13,900 it down for season one obviously like 2266 01:41:19,140 --> 01:41:16,179 listen I would love to partner with a 2267 01:41:21,300 --> 01:41:19,150 network to do another season of Helier 2268 01:41:23,610 --> 01:41:21,310 or another project 2269 01:41:26,280 --> 01:41:23,620 but the fact of the matter is they they 2270 01:41:29,220 --> 01:41:26,290 would have to work with us they would 2271 01:41:30,710 --> 01:41:29,230 have to give us creative control you 2272 01:41:33,090 --> 01:41:30,720 know there have been situations where 2273 01:41:34,830 --> 01:41:33,100 we've talked about Helier on a network 2274 01:41:36,180 --> 01:41:34,840 and they don't even want to give us 2275 01:41:37,350 --> 01:41:36,190 creative credit even though we've 2276 01:41:39,960 --> 01:41:37,360 literally made a television show 2277 01:41:42,330 --> 01:41:39,970 ourselves we were on Amazon Prime's you 2278 01:41:44,610 --> 01:41:42,340 know popular television list through the 2279 01:41:47,880 --> 01:41:44,620 entire launch you know trending TV and 2280 01:41:49,860 --> 01:41:47,890 we made it with five six people and you 2281 01:41:52,290 --> 01:41:49,870 know a 12 at the most when you count 2282 01:41:54,930 --> 01:41:52,300 soundtrack and things like that so we've 2283 01:41:55,140 --> 01:41:54,940 we've proven we can do this are on our 2284 01:41:56,850 --> 01:41:55,150 own 2285 01:42:00,630 --> 01:41:56,860 and we can make something compelling on 2286 01:42:02,820 --> 01:42:00,640 our own and we would gladly do that with 2287 01:42:04,500 --> 01:42:02,830 the help of a network because that would 2288 01:42:06,630 --> 01:42:04,510 mean we'd actually get paid we could pay 2289 01:42:09,030 --> 01:42:06,640 our bills we could eat we know we could 2290 01:42:10,500 --> 01:42:09,040 buy groceries because right now Helier 2291 01:42:13,590 --> 01:42:10,510 is just a labor of love that we really 2292 01:42:15,570 --> 01:42:13,600 don't make any money off of but the only 2293 01:42:17,040 --> 01:42:15,580 way we would do that is if we were 2294 01:42:18,450 --> 01:42:17,050 comfortable that we would have the 2295 01:42:21,750 --> 01:42:18,460 creative control to do what we're going 2296 01:42:24,510 --> 01:42:21,760 to do and feel proud of what we're 2297 01:42:26,370 --> 01:42:24,520 making yeah I think we I mean I think I 2298 01:42:29,160 --> 01:42:26,380 probably speak for it for everyone but I 2299 01:42:30,930 --> 01:42:29,170 think that we definitely would never do 2300 01:42:33,030 --> 01:42:30,940 anything to the detriment of the project 2301 01:42:35,750 --> 01:42:33,040 the project always comes first and 2302 01:42:40,050 --> 01:42:35,760 that's the project and and our our 2303 01:42:42,270 --> 01:42:40,060 personalities and our our reputations 2304 01:42:45,240 --> 01:42:42,280 you know that's important to us and 2305 01:42:46,560 --> 01:42:45,250 that's rare today you know and I just 2306 01:42:49,230 --> 01:42:46,570 wanted to give you guys the opportunity 2307 01:42:52,050 --> 01:42:49,240 to to say all of that to state your 2308 01:42:53,370 --> 01:42:52,060 position because hey it's it's money 2309 01:42:57,930 --> 01:42:53,380 everybody's got their price 2310 01:42:59,580 --> 01:42:57,940 I love paranormal television we appear 2311 01:43:00,990 --> 01:42:59,590 on it regularly you know we have friends 2312 01:43:04,530 --> 01:43:01,000 who have shows that we really like in 2313 01:43:07,260 --> 01:43:04,540 respect and we love it we love it all 2314 01:43:09,150 --> 01:43:07,270 but at the same time you know we we know 2315 01:43:12,180 --> 01:43:09,160 that there's only so much control that 2316 01:43:14,370 --> 01:43:12,190 you're given and you know it works 2317 01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:14,380 differently you have to work within the 2318 01:43:19,200 --> 01:43:17,530 the box of television when you do this 2319 01:43:21,330 --> 01:43:19,210 stuff everything has to be nice and 2320 01:43:23,100 --> 01:43:21,340 tight and you know you get you get three 2321 01:43:25,470 --> 01:43:23,110 acts and that's how you have to tell 2322 01:43:27,090 --> 01:43:25,480 your story every week Helier is very 2323 01:43:29,010 --> 01:43:27,100 clearly to anyone who watches it it's 2324 01:43:31,110 --> 01:43:29,020 not that kind of thing and it just will 2325 01:43:33,750 --> 01:43:31,120 not fit in that type of box because it 2326 01:43:35,700 --> 01:43:33,760 is it's something that's continued 2327 01:43:39,479 --> 01:43:35,710 and it's ongoing and we don't know what 2328 01:43:41,910 --> 01:43:39,489 we're gonna find when we do it so you 2329 01:43:43,770 --> 01:43:41,920 know if an again if a network wanted to 2330 01:43:46,470 --> 01:43:43,780 work with us to do another season we 2331 01:43:48,810 --> 01:43:46,480 would be open to it if they were willing 2332 01:43:51,600 --> 01:43:48,820 to get weird with it and I don't know 2333 01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:51,610 too many that would be just don't don't 2334 01:44:03,240 --> 01:43:56,890 sell out I don't think we would ever let 2335 01:44:06,390 --> 01:44:03,250 each other sell out either but a new 2336 01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:06,400 house and and all of the the food that 2337 01:44:17,250 --> 01:44:15,250 Dana could shop for that's it let's take 2338 01:44:18,750 --> 01:44:17,260 our break right here Greg and Dana 2339 01:44:21,870 --> 01:44:18,760 Newkirk we're talking about Hell your 2340 01:44:24,600 --> 01:44:21,880 season two now when we come back all 2341 01:44:27,060 --> 01:44:24,610 right there is Carl and the recliner 2342 01:44:30,870 --> 01:44:27,070 we're going to talk about that and there 2343 01:44:35,070 --> 01:44:30,880 is a regression session that happens in 2344 01:44:36,630 --> 01:44:35,080 this series that is very very important 2345 01:44:40,229 --> 01:44:36,640 we're going to talk about all of that 2346 01:44:41,790 --> 01:44:40,239 too but it's it's strong stuff but we're 2347 01:44:43,110 --> 01:44:41,800 gonna have fun when we come back this is 2348 01:44:45,000 --> 01:44:43,120 fade to black I'm girls to be Church 2349 01:44:48,860 --> 01:44:45,010 Greg and Dana Newkirk when we come back 2350 01:44:48,870 --> 01:44:56,880 [Music] 2351 01:45:01,240 --> 01:44:59,290 welcome back betta black Greg and Dana 2352 01:45:04,090 --> 01:45:01,250 Newkirk tonight talking about healthier 2353 01:45:05,830 --> 01:45:04,100 to the links for a healthier and 2354 01:45:08,530 --> 01:45:05,840 healthier two overage immaturity of 2355 01:45:11,770 --> 01:45:08,540 economy you just click you need to go 2356 01:45:13,600 --> 01:45:11,780 and watch it from beginning to end and I 2357 01:45:15,250 --> 01:45:13,610 want to remind everybody tomorrow night 2358 01:45:17,680 --> 01:45:15,260 Randy bitin heimer is going to be here 2359 01:45:19,360 --> 01:45:17,690 Wednesday night John Greenwald Thursday 2360 01:45:22,120 --> 01:45:19,370 night of course is another Fator night 2361 01:45:24,610 --> 01:45:22,130 with open lines all night long and now 2362 01:45:26,439 --> 01:45:24,620 back to Greg and Dana we're into 2363 01:45:33,880 --> 01:45:26,449 overtime now and thank you for doing 2364 01:45:37,800 --> 01:45:33,890 that is a very important part of Hellyer 2365 01:45:42,130 --> 01:45:37,810 is two specific episodes where you guys 2366 01:45:46,419 --> 01:45:42,140 go into regression therapy and and some 2367 01:45:51,689 --> 01:45:46,429 hypnosis and this is this is always 2368 01:45:56,530 --> 01:45:51,699 controversial in in our community and 2369 01:45:58,419 --> 01:45:56,540 are you prepared for and I'm sure you've 2370 01:46:01,689 --> 01:45:58,429 already gotten some of it the backlash 2371 01:46:04,750 --> 01:46:01,699 of it and and what regression therapy is 2372 01:46:09,600 --> 01:46:04,760 both the positive side and the negative 2373 01:46:13,090 --> 01:46:09,610 side of it and you guys present both in 2374 01:46:16,330 --> 01:46:13,100 inhale you're too are you are you 2375 01:46:18,280 --> 01:46:16,340 prepared for that yeah I mean the the 2376 01:46:20,590 --> 01:46:18,290 the purpose of what we did with the the 2377 01:46:24,459 --> 01:46:20,600 hypnosis experiment the alien abduction 2378 01:46:26,919 --> 01:46:24,469 experiment was kind of originated 2379 01:46:28,540 --> 01:46:26,929 because we wanted to show how easy it 2380 01:46:30,760 --> 01:46:28,550 was to put one of these ideas in 2381 01:46:34,930 --> 01:46:30,770 someone's head so what we're doing isn't 2382 01:46:37,990 --> 01:46:34,940 technically a regression so much as 2383 01:46:42,220 --> 01:46:38,000 almost it's almost like what they do an 2384 01:46:43,720 --> 01:46:42,230 inception the idea came to us in 2012 we 2385 01:46:46,750 --> 01:46:43,730 were shooting a project where we wanted 2386 01:46:49,000 --> 01:46:46,760 to we wanted to see if we could get 2387 01:46:50,080 --> 01:46:49,010 abducted by aliens so we try to do it 2388 01:46:51,550 --> 01:46:50,090 the old-fashioned way 2389 01:46:54,610 --> 01:46:51,560 and wouldn't you know it it didn't work 2390 01:46:56,979 --> 01:46:54,620 so I called a friend of mine who is a 2391 01:46:59,979 --> 01:46:56,989 hypnotist Lonnie Scott and I said listen 2392 01:47:00,400 --> 01:46:59,989 I have this crazy idea I want to run it 2393 01:47:02,500 --> 01:47:00,410 by you 2394 01:47:07,180 --> 01:47:02,510 maybe you're the man to do it and I said 2395 01:47:09,160 --> 01:47:07,190 do you think you can put the idea the 2396 01:47:09,399 --> 01:47:09,170 experience of an alien abduction and one 2397 01:47:12,459 --> 01:47:09,409 of our 2398 01:47:14,229 --> 01:47:12,469 heads via hypnosis and then we can bring 2399 01:47:16,089 --> 01:47:14,239 that person back and interview them and 2400 01:47:17,770 --> 01:47:16,099 see what it was like and see how it 2401 01:47:20,409 --> 01:47:17,780 matches up to some of the most famous 2402 01:47:22,029 --> 01:47:20,419 abduction cases and he said I can do it 2403 01:47:25,779 --> 01:47:22,039 but there's no way in hell I'm going to 2404 01:47:27,339 --> 01:47:25,789 he's like that's super unethical and I 2405 01:47:29,560 --> 01:47:27,349 said well it's not we're all signed up 2406 01:47:31,270 --> 01:47:29,570 for it we all know the risks let's try 2407 01:47:33,640 --> 01:47:31,280 it that we are as I know this hasn't 2408 01:47:35,259 --> 01:47:33,650 been done before and he thought about it 2409 01:47:36,909 --> 01:47:35,269 and eventually he got back and said okay 2410 01:47:38,679 --> 01:47:36,919 I'll do it I'm only gonna do it for one 2411 01:47:42,040 --> 01:47:38,689 of you and I need you to sign some 2412 01:47:44,319 --> 01:47:42,050 paperwork I can do it I can take one 2413 01:47:45,459 --> 01:47:44,329 person I can put the idea in there but I 2414 01:47:47,830 --> 01:47:45,469 don't know if I'm gonna be able to get 2415 01:47:50,649 --> 01:47:47,840 it out and what we thought was going to 2416 01:47:52,569 --> 01:47:50,659 be a very funny experience where one of 2417 01:47:55,509 --> 01:47:52,579 our friends was gonna get taken aboard a 2418 01:47:58,179 --> 01:47:55,519 spaceship and probed in the but turned 2419 01:48:02,949 --> 01:47:58,189 into something much much scarier that 2420 01:48:04,959 --> 01:48:02,959 had much wider implications for the the 2421 01:48:07,839 --> 01:48:04,969 abduction experience than any of us 2422 01:48:11,080 --> 01:48:07,849 anticipated it really shook a lot of us 2423 01:48:13,509 --> 01:48:11,090 to our core for a long time and when we 2424 01:48:16,089 --> 01:48:13,519 decided to try a version of that again 2425 01:48:18,219 --> 01:48:16,099 in season 2 we approached it much more 2426 01:48:20,409 --> 01:48:18,229 delicately because you know there's a 2427 01:48:21,939 --> 01:48:20,419 couple different ideas of what might 2428 01:48:26,529 --> 01:48:21,949 have actually happened when we did that 2429 01:48:29,439 --> 01:48:26,539 first regression in 2012 either this 2430 01:48:31,929 --> 01:48:29,449 person already had an experience and we 2431 01:48:34,500 --> 01:48:31,939 brought it out of them we gave them a 2432 01:48:35,770 --> 01:48:34,510 false experience that was very 2433 01:48:40,060 --> 01:48:35,780 believable 2434 01:48:42,640 --> 01:48:40,070 or what I'm more inclined to believe is 2435 01:48:45,699 --> 01:48:42,650 that we flipped a switch on some other 2436 01:48:48,640 --> 01:48:45,709 plane of existence and gave him a four 2437 01:48:50,679 --> 01:48:48,650 day long experience where we drew 2438 01:48:53,589 --> 01:48:50,689 whatever these entities were to him and 2439 01:49:02,739 --> 01:48:53,599 he actually went through this all three 2440 01:49:05,859 --> 01:49:02,749 suck yes that's true right yes in some 2441 01:49:09,129 --> 01:49:05,869 ways I mean you feel there's a you know 2442 01:49:12,659 --> 01:49:09,139 empathy where you're just like oh man oh 2443 01:49:16,989 --> 01:49:12,669 whoa right because you just don't know 2444 01:49:20,799 --> 01:49:16,999 but I think that that's probably why we 2445 01:49:23,229 --> 01:49:20,809 why the second attempt is so different 2446 01:49:25,029 --> 01:49:23,239 it's so it's 2447 01:49:28,149 --> 01:49:25,039 much more fine-tuned at that point just 2448 01:49:31,180 --> 01:49:28,159 just because we didn't we didn't want it 2449 01:49:33,790 --> 01:49:31,190 to be a negative experience we wanted it 2450 01:49:36,149 --> 01:49:33,800 to be APOD not necessarily that it had 2451 01:49:39,399 --> 01:49:36,159 to be positive but we wanted it to yield 2452 01:49:42,040 --> 01:49:39,409 something that we could use so yield 2453 01:49:43,660 --> 01:49:42,050 more than a mental breakdown yeah which 2454 01:49:46,959 --> 01:49:43,670 was about the extent of the first one 2455 01:49:50,620 --> 01:49:46,969 right right now and what this would 2456 01:49:53,370 --> 01:49:50,630 suggest certainly to the skeptics out 2457 01:49:56,350 --> 01:49:53,380 there when it comes to this approach 2458 01:49:58,569 --> 01:49:56,360 inside of ufology which is regression 2459 01:49:59,979 --> 01:49:58,579 and missing time and trying to figure 2460 01:50:04,209 --> 01:49:59,989 out what what may or may not have 2461 01:50:06,819 --> 01:50:04,219 happened is that some of these the 2462 01:50:10,209 --> 01:50:06,829 skeptics are gonna say see regression 2463 01:50:12,430 --> 01:50:10,219 its implanting these that these 2464 01:50:14,560 --> 01:50:12,440 experiences aren't real and this is 2465 01:50:17,169 --> 01:50:14,570 proof of it here because Greg and Dana 2466 01:50:18,640 --> 01:50:17,179 just did it and now it's on film now 2467 01:50:21,040 --> 01:50:18,650 you're gonna have all of the requests 2468 01:50:23,700 --> 01:50:21,050 and professionals out there step forward 2469 01:50:26,259 --> 01:50:23,710 and say this is giving us a bad name I 2470 01:50:29,589 --> 01:50:26,269 mean that may be true but at the same 2471 01:50:32,169 --> 01:50:29,599 time you know we're doing actual 2472 01:50:33,959 --> 01:50:32,179 experiments here and we don't exactly 2473 01:50:36,910 --> 01:50:33,969 know the outcome of them when we do them 2474 01:50:41,229 --> 01:50:36,920 you know that first experience that 2475 01:50:42,700 --> 01:50:41,239 first that first hypnosis session you'll 2476 01:50:45,580 --> 01:50:42,710 notice if you really watch that 2477 01:50:47,290 --> 01:50:45,590 carefully there were not many leading 2478 01:50:49,060 --> 01:50:47,300 questions in there there weren't many 2479 01:50:51,310 --> 01:50:49,070 leading phrases the the only real 2480 01:50:53,439 --> 01:50:51,320 leading phrase was you're you see a 2481 01:50:56,350 --> 01:50:53,449 light in the sky and you know that it's 2482 01:50:58,509 --> 01:50:56,360 in a shape you you know can't exist and 2483 01:51:02,830 --> 01:50:58,519 you're going to be taken and that's it 2484 01:51:05,080 --> 01:51:02,840 and Jason the subject he fills in all 2485 01:51:07,359 --> 01:51:05,090 those blanks and it's nothing like you 2486 01:51:09,339 --> 01:51:07,369 would expect it to be everything's a 2487 01:51:11,169 --> 01:51:09,349 little different yeah and it's even it's 2488 01:51:13,930 --> 01:51:11,179 not what you would expect it to be even 2489 01:51:14,950 --> 01:51:13,940 just based off of his personality which 2490 01:51:18,399 --> 01:51:14,960 is what I think is really interesting 2491 01:51:21,520 --> 01:51:18,409 Jason is like a very positive goofy 2492 01:51:24,069 --> 01:51:21,530 funny person and you know we kind of at 2493 01:51:25,899 --> 01:51:24,079 that moment thought okay well this is 2494 01:51:29,379 --> 01:51:25,909 going to be like a silly experience so 2495 01:51:32,500 --> 01:51:29,389 we were not anticipating the the the 2496 01:51:34,600 --> 01:51:32,510 experience that he had he has it's 2497 01:51:36,370 --> 01:51:34,610 interesting oh it's horrible it's 2498 01:51:39,910 --> 01:51:36,380 terrifying terrifying 2499 01:51:41,620 --> 01:51:39,920 and the end result again everybody's 2500 01:51:44,800 --> 01:51:41,630 just going you have to go and watch it 2501 01:51:48,250 --> 01:51:44,810 and appreciate it for what it is but the 2502 01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:48,260 end result he's he's now he's a he's 2503 01:51:54,580 --> 01:51:51,770 freaked out well yeah I interviewed him 2504 01:51:56,440 --> 01:51:54,590 before the experiment experiment and the 2505 01:51:57,790 --> 01:51:56,450 reason he was even chosen cuz it was in 2506 01:51:59,890 --> 01:51:57,800 the air it could have been any of us 2507 01:52:02,020 --> 01:51:59,900 mm-hmm the reason he was chosen was for 2508 01:52:04,060 --> 01:52:02,030 two reasons one he did not believe in 2509 01:52:05,290 --> 01:52:04,070 hypnosis he didn't think it worked and 2510 01:52:07,150 --> 01:52:05,300 two he didn't believe in 2511 01:52:09,730 --> 01:52:07,160 extraterrestrials he didn't believe that 2512 01:52:13,150 --> 01:52:09,740 they were visiting us in any meaningful 2513 01:52:15,130 --> 01:52:13,160 capacity so the the hypnotist Lonnie 2514 01:52:18,730 --> 01:52:15,140 said then you're the perfect person for 2515 01:52:19,630 --> 01:52:18,740 me to prove this point and we he had 2516 01:52:21,730 --> 01:52:19,640 this experience 2517 01:52:24,160 --> 01:52:21,740 he was only under hypnosis for about 2518 01:52:26,200 --> 01:52:24,170 half an hour but he had experienced four 2519 01:52:28,300 --> 01:52:26,210 days worth of memories that were as real 2520 01:52:32,440 --> 01:52:28,310 as any memories you and I make every 2521 01:52:33,880 --> 01:52:32,450 single day and he began to seriously 2522 01:52:35,830 --> 01:52:33,890 believe that he had been abducted by 2523 01:52:39,790 --> 01:52:35,840 aliens you know he told us at one point 2524 01:52:42,100 --> 01:52:39,800 if you hadn't told me and I did not know 2525 01:52:44,800 --> 01:52:42,110 for a fact that this was an experiment I 2526 01:52:46,960 --> 01:52:44,810 would go to the grave believing that I 2527 01:52:48,250 --> 01:52:46,970 had had had been abducted by aliens and 2528 01:52:50,260 --> 01:52:48,260 they had done all these torturous things 2529 01:52:53,280 --> 01:52:50,270 to me now I want to move on to Carl but 2530 01:53:00,930 --> 01:52:53,290 let me say this about Jason the way that 2531 01:53:04,270 --> 01:53:00,940 Lonnie I thought I was gonna go under 2532 01:53:06,040 --> 01:53:04,280 see it's such a soothing voice soothing 2533 01:53:08,200 --> 01:53:06,050 voice and and he's holding up his hand 2534 01:53:10,300 --> 01:53:08,210 or you know he says no do you see the 2535 01:53:13,690 --> 01:53:10,310 what does he say you see the lines in 2536 01:53:17,500 --> 01:53:13,700 your hand at that point Jason's gone 2537 01:53:21,100 --> 01:53:17,510 right on God it happened so fast we 2538 01:53:21,970 --> 01:53:21,110 thought he was faking right yes yes yes 2539 01:53:25,990 --> 01:53:21,980 it was 2540 01:53:28,480 --> 01:53:26,000 it's an incredible scene and the level 2541 01:53:32,620 --> 01:53:28,490 of detail that came out but it was after 2542 01:53:35,950 --> 01:53:32,630 that it was the what he was seeing who 2543 01:53:38,350 --> 01:53:35,960 he was seeing and what was going on it 2544 01:53:41,860 --> 01:53:38,360 was really trippy to see that but it was 2545 01:53:44,080 --> 01:53:41,870 afterwards he believes that were being 2546 01:53:46,120 --> 01:53:44,090 visited he believes in UFOs he believes 2547 01:53:48,310 --> 01:53:46,130 in hypnosis yeah it fundamentally 2548 01:53:50,689 --> 01:53:48,320 changed his feelings on the subject 2549 01:53:53,300 --> 01:53:50,699 matter and he doesn't even realize it 2550 01:53:55,189 --> 01:53:53,310 I don't even think let me ask you this 2551 01:54:01,120 --> 01:53:55,199 guy do want to move on to Carl before we 2552 01:54:04,310 --> 01:54:01,130 run out of time here but he he now I 2553 01:54:09,020 --> 01:54:04,320 mean I want your take on this he is 2554 01:54:11,780 --> 01:54:09,030 firmly grounded in his belief system now 2555 01:54:12,110 --> 01:54:11,790 oh yeah there's no question about any of 2556 01:54:16,030 --> 01:54:12,120 this 2557 01:54:18,530 --> 01:54:16,040 no no he's he is 100% convinced that 2558 01:54:20,750 --> 01:54:18,540 like like again you know he had 2559 01:54:22,729 --> 01:54:20,760 mentioned that had had we not filmed it 2560 01:54:24,470 --> 01:54:22,739 and been there he would be 100% 2561 01:54:26,840 --> 01:54:24,480 convinced that he was an experience and 2562 01:54:28,130 --> 01:54:26,850 now he believes that aliens are real and 2563 01:54:32,240 --> 01:54:28,140 that they are visiting us and they are 2564 01:54:35,930 --> 01:54:32,250 abducting us 100% and and the before and 2565 01:54:39,650 --> 01:54:35,940 after because before happy-go-lucky eyes 2566 01:54:41,300 --> 01:54:39,660 are lit up right afterwards you're 2567 01:54:44,120 --> 01:54:41,310 talking to him about this he's got a 2568 01:54:47,180 --> 01:54:44,130 very serious look on his face and his 2569 01:54:49,130 --> 01:54:47,190 eyes are different well even the idea of 2570 01:54:51,080 --> 01:54:49,140 talking about the experiment he doesn't 2571 01:54:52,729 --> 01:54:51,090 remember any of it now you know he 2572 01:54:54,500 --> 01:54:52,739 worked with Lonnie a lot afterwards just 2573 01:54:57,830 --> 01:54:54,510 sort of trying to erase that because 2574 01:55:01,669 --> 01:54:57,840 they were so traumatizing even even the 2575 01:55:04,340 --> 01:55:01,679 discussion of it brings him nervousness 2576 01:55:07,180 --> 01:55:04,350 yes you can see anxiety yeah yeah you 2577 01:55:13,820 --> 01:55:07,190 can see it now let's talk about Carl 2578 01:55:17,120 --> 01:55:13,830 Carl the way he lays in the recliner 2579 01:55:20,360 --> 01:55:17,130 with his arms on his on his on his head 2580 01:55:24,590 --> 01:55:20,370 and he's so comfortable and so in the 2581 01:55:29,689 --> 01:55:24,600 zone did Carl believe in hypnosis before 2582 01:55:31,790 --> 01:55:29,699 this um I I don't know that he didn't 2583 01:55:34,160 --> 01:55:31,800 believe but he didn't think he could be 2584 01:55:35,959 --> 01:55:34,170 him yeah he was he was very skeptical I 2585 01:55:37,400 --> 01:55:35,969 think if I remember correctly that that 2586 01:55:38,900 --> 01:55:37,410 maybe it would have worked which 2587 01:55:40,669 --> 01:55:38,910 ironically is part of the reason why he 2588 01:55:44,450 --> 01:55:40,679 was the perfect person to do this 2589 01:55:47,270 --> 01:55:44,460 experiment and he went deep oh yeah yeah 2590 01:55:50,390 --> 01:55:47,280 it was it was really fascinating to 2591 01:55:52,340 --> 01:55:50,400 watch because we tried to do the 2592 01:55:55,880 --> 01:55:52,350 experiment a bit differently so so the 2593 01:55:57,439 --> 01:55:55,890 idea behind doing this again it seemed 2594 01:55:58,640 --> 01:55:57,449 like at the time we were really supposed 2595 01:55:59,959 --> 01:55:58,650 to try this again that might have been 2596 01:56:02,270 --> 01:55:59,969 one of the things Terry was trying to 2597 01:56:04,280 --> 01:56:02,280 tell us to do but we wanted to get 2598 01:56:06,860 --> 01:56:04,290 actionable information 2599 01:56:09,830 --> 01:56:06,870 from this experiment that shows we are 2600 01:56:12,140 --> 01:56:09,840 going somewhere else and getting 2601 01:56:14,300 --> 01:56:12,150 information that is usable that we 2602 01:56:17,780 --> 01:56:14,310 weren't aware of at the time so the idea 2603 01:56:19,700 --> 01:56:17,790 was we want to send someone to some 2604 01:56:21,050 --> 01:56:19,710 other place wherever that is whether 2605 01:56:23,210 --> 01:56:21,060 that's in our own mind whether that's 2606 01:56:25,610 --> 01:56:23,220 some outer place to meet an 2607 01:56:28,220 --> 01:56:25,620 extraterrestrial entity who can give us 2608 01:56:30,080 --> 01:56:28,230 information that we were not aware of 2609 01:56:31,460 --> 01:56:30,090 that is actionable that was the purpose 2610 01:56:36,610 --> 01:56:31,470 of that's doing this experiment the way 2611 01:56:39,820 --> 01:56:36,620 we did again and Carl did that he he 2612 01:56:43,130 --> 01:56:39,830 basically predicted the future it's 2613 01:56:46,100 --> 01:56:43,140 unbelievable to Eternity to a tee and 2614 01:56:49,160 --> 01:56:46,110 you know what you know what yeah okay I 2615 01:56:51,200 --> 01:56:49,170 don't know how Carl managed to go back 2616 01:56:55,400 --> 01:56:51,210 and have to watch all of that and edit 2617 01:56:57,470 --> 01:56:55,410 it I did not like it no man no there's 2618 01:57:00,500 --> 01:56:57,480 no way he could but he has to use the 2619 01:57:04,340 --> 01:57:00,510 director but that's not what's most 2620 01:57:10,970 --> 01:57:04,350 precious about that scene what's most 2621 01:57:13,790 --> 01:57:10,980 precious is you guys you guys are all 2622 01:57:20,540 --> 01:57:13,800 taping Dana you've got your cell phone 2623 01:57:22,460 --> 01:57:20,550 out too right oh yeah so what we get is 2624 01:57:26,660 --> 01:57:22,470 every angle of you guys looking at each 2625 01:57:28,910 --> 01:57:26,670 other going holy crap I mean the things 2626 01:57:31,460 --> 01:57:28,920 that happened in Carl's session that the 2627 01:57:34,690 --> 01:57:31,470 the things that he he brings out and the 2628 01:57:37,340 --> 01:57:34,700 entities that he meets are so shocking 2629 01:57:39,140 --> 01:57:37,350 there's no way we weren't going to look 2630 01:57:41,390 --> 01:57:39,150 at each other and just like mouth the 2631 01:57:43,940 --> 01:57:41,400 words like you know what done is going 2632 01:57:46,400 --> 01:57:43,950 on I thought for sure you guys were 2633 01:57:48,830 --> 01:57:46,410 gonna blow the session I was waiting for 2634 01:57:50,750 --> 01:57:48,840 that somebody was gonna say something 2635 01:57:52,940 --> 01:57:50,760 somebody was gonna freak out somebody's 2636 01:57:55,040 --> 01:57:52,950 gonna snap Carl out of it it was that 2637 01:57:57,950 --> 01:57:55,050 intense I don't know how you guys kept 2638 01:58:00,260 --> 01:57:57,960 it you know soap is so low-key it took I 2639 01:58:03,410 --> 01:58:00,270 think all of Tyler's willpower not to 2640 01:58:08,930 --> 01:58:03,420 literally explode into actual fireworks 2641 01:58:12,500 --> 01:58:08,940 because he was so it was one of the one 2642 01:58:14,090 --> 01:58:12,510 of the great moments now after I'm 2643 01:58:16,850 --> 01:58:14,100 serious too I 2644 01:58:18,080 --> 01:58:16,860 really loved that entire scene sorry 2645 01:58:21,530 --> 01:58:18,090 Carl 2646 01:58:25,250 --> 01:58:21,540 somebody handed to it man but afterwards 2647 01:58:27,620 --> 01:58:25,260 - Carl remember certainly it was 2648 01:58:31,070 --> 01:58:27,630 discussed in the days and weeks after 2649 01:58:34,160 --> 01:58:31,080 did Carl remember everything that he was 2650 01:58:35,630 --> 01:58:34,170 saying I think he he had a memory of it 2651 01:58:36,560 --> 01:58:35,640 one of the details that I think is 2652 01:58:39,230 --> 01:58:36,570 really interesting is he was very 2653 01:58:40,670 --> 01:58:39,240 agitated afterwards like he he had to 2654 01:58:43,040 --> 01:58:40,680 kind of like spend some time alone 2655 01:58:45,440 --> 01:58:43,050 because he was really like just angry 2656 01:58:49,010 --> 01:58:45,450 and kind of frustrated about it but I 2657 01:58:50,510 --> 01:58:49,020 think I do think that he had memories of 2658 01:58:52,040 --> 01:58:50,520 all of it and I think that's why he was 2659 01:58:54,680 --> 01:58:52,050 frustrated because he didn't know why 2660 01:58:56,720 --> 01:58:54,690 they were important at the time well and 2661 01:59:00,650 --> 01:58:56,730 I think there's a part of it to where it 2662 01:59:04,010 --> 01:59:00,660 was a very personal thing and to know 2663 01:59:05,810 --> 01:59:04,020 that not only do you have you know four 2664 01:59:08,600 --> 01:59:05,820 of your closest friends around getting a 2665 01:59:11,540 --> 01:59:08,610 peek into your subconscious but you have 2666 01:59:15,110 --> 01:59:11,550 cameras and this is going to be shown to 2667 01:59:17,180 --> 01:59:15,120 hundreds of thousands of people that can 2668 01:59:21,860 --> 01:59:17,190 be a really agitating and frustrating 2669 01:59:23,480 --> 01:59:21,870 thing and I think because of that he he 2670 01:59:26,000 --> 01:59:23,490 has a pretty good memory of the stuff 2671 01:59:29,000 --> 01:59:26,010 that was happening and the way that the 2672 01:59:30,680 --> 01:59:29,010 the hypnosis session was structured was 2673 01:59:33,110 --> 01:59:30,690 so much different than the first one 2674 01:59:34,970 --> 01:59:33,120 where it wasn't supposed to be you know 2675 01:59:36,980 --> 01:59:34,980 it wasn't like you weren't getting 2676 01:59:39,260 --> 01:59:36,990 abducted by aliens they weren't taking 2677 01:59:42,830 --> 01:59:39,270 you against your will you were there to 2678 01:59:44,390 --> 01:59:42,840 meet an extra normal extraterrestrial 2679 01:59:46,730 --> 01:59:44,400 entity that was going to give you 2680 01:59:49,070 --> 01:59:46,740 information pertinent to the case so I 2681 01:59:51,230 --> 01:59:49,080 think because of those different those 2682 01:59:53,360 --> 01:59:51,240 differences it was much easier for hit 2683 01:59:57,380 --> 01:59:53,370 and remember what happened would Carl do 2684 02:00:01,250 --> 01:59:57,390 it again I think he probably would I 2685 02:00:03,380 --> 02:00:01,260 think having had the experience and then 2686 02:00:06,200 --> 02:00:03,390 what happened after the experience which 2687 02:00:07,910 --> 02:00:06,210 validated a lot of his what what he was 2688 02:00:09,350 --> 02:00:07,920 kind of bringing back for us I can 2689 02:00:11,300 --> 02:00:09,360 imagine he probably would do it again 2690 02:00:15,530 --> 02:00:11,310 but I think I don't think he'd 2691 02:00:18,410 --> 02:00:15,540 necessarily throw his hand up volunteer 2692 02:00:21,080 --> 02:00:18,420 you might be pushed into it and this is 2693 02:00:24,709 --> 02:00:21,090 I think the most important thing to ask 2694 02:00:28,100 --> 02:00:24,719 how did it change Carl is is he okay 2695 02:00:30,259 --> 02:00:28,110 with regression and hypnosis and in this 2696 02:00:33,109 --> 02:00:30,269 kind of thing going on were before 2697 02:00:37,160 --> 02:00:33,119 skeptic and I am too by the way right 2698 02:00:40,009 --> 02:00:37,170 but he was clearly changed and so is he 2699 02:00:43,279 --> 02:00:40,019 on the other side of the fence I think 2700 02:00:45,799 --> 02:00:43,289 so yeah I mean I hypnosis is never what 2701 02:00:47,930 --> 02:00:45,809 you expect it's going to be went when it 2702 02:00:49,520 --> 02:00:47,940 happens to you you know everybody has 2703 02:00:52,250 --> 02:00:49,530 the the Hollywood version of what 2704 02:00:54,799 --> 02:00:52,260 hypnosis is like and so when it happens 2705 02:00:56,270 --> 02:00:54,809 to you you you you kind of have to cope 2706 02:00:57,950 --> 02:00:56,280 with the fact that it's not as 2707 02:01:01,700 --> 02:00:57,960 over-the-top as you think a lot of its 2708 02:01:03,680 --> 02:01:01,710 mark into guided meditation and I think 2709 02:01:06,080 --> 02:01:03,690 that was a bit of a hurdle for him to 2710 02:01:08,149 --> 02:01:06,090 understand that it wasn't like it's not 2711 02:01:09,950 --> 02:01:08,159 actually sleep that's a misnomer when 2712 02:01:12,169 --> 02:01:09,960 you know that whole like sleep sleep 2713 02:01:13,759 --> 02:01:12,179 deeper what you're actually doing is 2714 02:01:15,919 --> 02:01:13,769 you're going into a heightened state of 2715 02:01:17,359 --> 02:01:15,929 awareness which is the fascinating thing 2716 02:01:20,930 --> 02:01:17,369 you're actually open to more information 2717 02:01:22,609 --> 02:01:20,940 than you normally are so I think he 2718 02:01:27,469 --> 02:01:22,619 definitely has a more of an appreciation 2719 02:01:31,060 --> 02:01:27,479 for hypnosis especially its use in 2720 02:01:34,489 --> 02:01:31,070 paranormal research for sure well I see 2721 02:01:38,239 --> 02:01:34,499 you're right about this that Karl this 2722 02:01:40,129 --> 02:01:38,249 is why I I don't want to do any 2723 02:01:42,049 --> 02:01:40,139 regression therapy I have questions 2724 02:01:45,859 --> 02:01:42,059 about certain things that have happened 2725 02:01:47,830 --> 02:01:45,869 to me but I'm in the I my mindset is I'm 2726 02:01:54,770 --> 02:01:47,840 just gonna leave them where they are 2727 02:01:57,770 --> 02:01:54,780 right I don't want to know and that's 2728 02:01:59,899 --> 02:01:57,780 where I'm at and and so for for Karl to 2729 02:02:03,799 --> 02:01:59,909 go through this you are you're you're 2730 02:02:05,870 --> 02:02:03,809 naked right you are exposed and not 2731 02:02:08,870 --> 02:02:05,880 didn't look it's not that your friends 2732 02:02:13,250 --> 02:02:08,880 are gonna see this at some party later 2733 02:02:15,379 --> 02:02:13,260 that's a world the whole world is is out 2734 02:02:17,629 --> 02:02:15,389 there now and I'm sure that he's 2735 02:02:19,370 --> 02:02:17,639 squirming just he's probably squirming 2736 02:02:20,060 --> 02:02:19,380 right now that we are even talking about 2737 02:02:22,850 --> 02:02:20,070 this 2738 02:02:24,799 --> 02:02:22,860 well fun fact Conor actually had a 2739 02:02:27,020 --> 02:02:24,809 session to oh I didn't mean he's 2740 02:02:29,120 --> 02:02:27,030 yeah his was so personal we cut it out 2741 02:02:29,870 --> 02:02:29,130 mmm-hmm because it was just really 2742 02:02:33,919 --> 02:02:29,880 uncomfortable 2743 02:02:36,979 --> 02:02:33,929 like what was cut out I mean he had an 2744 02:02:38,179 --> 02:02:36,989 entire session where Karl went and then 2745 02:02:39,859 --> 02:02:38,189 then Khan 2746 02:02:43,189 --> 02:02:39,869 we just figured you know we have Lonni 2747 02:02:45,020 --> 02:02:43,199 here let's let's maximize our usage so 2748 02:02:46,819 --> 02:02:45,030 Connor went as well and he got a lot of 2749 02:02:49,250 --> 02:02:46,829 really interesting information but the 2750 02:02:51,589 --> 02:02:49,260 types of things that were in his session 2751 02:02:53,179 --> 02:02:51,599 and the things that he experienced were 2752 02:02:54,859 --> 02:02:53,189 much more personal to his personality 2753 02:02:58,100 --> 02:02:54,869 and he you know he was very 2754 02:02:59,419 --> 02:02:58,110 uncomfortable with those things you know 2755 02:03:01,939 --> 02:02:59,429 the innermost parts of his personality 2756 02:03:03,709 --> 02:03:01,949 being presented to the world so we 2757 02:03:08,689 --> 02:03:03,719 didn't include it now 2758 02:03:11,419 --> 02:03:08,699 did you two have a session no well we 2759 02:03:13,699 --> 02:03:11,429 there's actually a discussion in in that 2760 02:03:17,000 --> 02:03:13,709 episode which is really funny because 2761 02:03:19,969 --> 02:03:17,010 it's us choosing who should go and Dana 2762 02:03:22,459 --> 02:03:19,979 and I and Tyler we all agreed that we're 2763 02:03:25,969 --> 02:03:22,469 two nuts like we have too much weird 2764 02:03:28,100 --> 02:03:25,979 stuff in our brains and Connor and Karl 2765 02:03:29,419 --> 02:03:28,110 were the two there I mean anyone who 2766 02:03:31,189 --> 02:03:29,429 watches Hellyer can see they're the two 2767 02:03:34,189 --> 02:03:31,199 most objective people right you know 2768 02:03:36,830 --> 02:03:34,199 Karl is the eyes of the audience for all 2769 02:03:38,600 --> 02:03:36,840 intents and purposes so him being the 2770 02:03:40,459 --> 02:03:38,610 most objective person really makes him 2771 02:03:42,169 --> 02:03:40,469 the perfect person to go because the 2772 02:03:44,779 --> 02:03:42,179 audience will trust his experience more 2773 02:03:46,909 --> 02:03:44,789 than us who are inundated with insane 2774 02:03:48,290 --> 02:03:46,919 ideas in our brains all day long who 2775 02:03:50,600 --> 02:03:48,300 knows what our subconscious would 2776 02:03:53,149 --> 02:03:50,610 conjure up karl was the perfect person 2777 02:03:55,759 --> 02:03:53,159 to go and that was a big discussion now 2778 02:04:00,560 --> 02:03:55,769 as we wind this down and thank you this 2779 02:04:01,669 --> 02:04:00,570 is what a great show tonight but what 2780 02:04:03,679 --> 02:04:01,679 have you learned 2781 02:04:09,199 --> 02:04:03,689 and I'm going to I'm going to throw this 2782 02:04:11,449 --> 02:04:09,209 to Dana first Dana is there is is there 2783 02:04:15,620 --> 02:04:11,459 another dimension out there that is 2784 02:04:18,770 --> 02:04:15,630 beyond our physical world that we walk 2785 02:04:22,759 --> 02:04:18,780 in every single day that needs to be 2786 02:04:27,409 --> 02:04:22,769 explored that it does this now exists 2787 02:04:32,359 --> 02:04:27,419 for you yes I absolutely do believe that 2788 02:04:34,069 --> 02:04:32,369 I think that I think maybe I've always 2789 02:04:35,839 --> 02:04:34,079 believed that and it's it's been 2790 02:04:38,419 --> 02:04:35,849 something that I've never not been 2791 02:04:40,370 --> 02:04:38,429 comfortable with believing in but at 2792 02:04:43,339 --> 02:04:40,380 this point in time I feel as if now 2793 02:04:47,859 --> 02:04:43,349 there's evidence at least in my eyes for 2794 02:04:51,730 --> 02:04:47,869 the existence of that and so yes I do i 2795 02:04:55,150 --> 02:04:51,740 100% believe that Greg 2796 02:04:56,530 --> 02:04:55,160 100% especially you know now you know I 2797 02:04:59,860 --> 02:04:56,540 think part of what we're doing with 2798 02:05:01,690 --> 02:04:59,870 Helier is we are rien ting the world I 2799 02:05:03,130 --> 02:05:01,700 think that's the purpose of what we're 2800 02:05:05,860 --> 02:05:03,140 doing I think we were called by the 2801 02:05:08,680 --> 02:05:05,870 phenomena not just to try and solve this 2802 02:05:09,880 --> 02:05:08,690 mystery but to present this project to 2803 02:05:11,860 --> 02:05:09,890 the world in such a way that they 2804 02:05:14,140 --> 02:05:11,870 understand yes there is something else 2805 02:05:16,690 --> 02:05:14,150 out there and yes it's calling to us 2806 02:05:18,580 --> 02:05:16,700 it's calling to them everyone it's 2807 02:05:21,160 --> 02:05:18,590 calling to you it's calling to everybody 2808 02:05:24,520 --> 02:05:21,170 if you just take the time to listen and 2809 02:05:27,760 --> 02:05:24,530 see the synchronicities in your life and 2810 02:05:30,430 --> 02:05:27,770 and the the little hints that there's a 2811 02:05:32,710 --> 02:05:30,440 journey and it's up to you to take that 2812 02:05:35,110 --> 02:05:32,720 journey and so I think that's what we're 2813 02:05:37,450 --> 02:05:35,120 doing with hell ears were we're we're 2814 02:05:39,460 --> 02:05:37,460 rien santa the world and getting more 2815 02:05:42,520 --> 02:05:39,470 people interested in the fact that there 2816 02:05:44,680 --> 02:05:42,530 is that an unseen world out there that's 2817 02:05:47,950 --> 02:05:44,690 just waiting for us to find it well the 2818 02:05:49,810 --> 02:05:47,960 members of our community that embrace 2819 02:05:52,480 --> 02:05:49,820 this and how he's out there seeking 2820 02:05:55,930 --> 02:05:52,490 knowledge and and trying to move forward 2821 02:05:59,110 --> 02:05:55,940 with this that's one thing but that may 2822 02:06:02,350 --> 02:05:59,120 not be the the real audience that needs 2823 02:06:06,790 --> 02:06:02,360 to see this series it should be those 2824 02:06:08,770 --> 02:06:06,800 that that our an absolute denial and 2825 02:06:10,420 --> 02:06:08,780 that's part of the that's part of the 2826 02:06:12,100 --> 02:06:10,430 work that we do you know one of the 2827 02:06:13,690 --> 02:06:12,110 things that we're always trying to do is 2828 02:06:16,330 --> 02:06:13,700 we're trying to work outside of the 2829 02:06:17,680 --> 02:06:16,340 community that we're in and I think with 2830 02:06:18,850 --> 02:06:17,690 Helier we've done a good job of that 2831 02:06:21,790 --> 02:06:18,860 because there's a little bit of 2832 02:06:23,740 --> 02:06:21,800 everything for whoever you know there's 2833 02:06:28,060 --> 02:06:23,750 there's the true-crime aspect to it 2834 02:06:31,000 --> 02:06:28,070 there's the the catfish aspect to it 2835 02:06:32,920 --> 02:06:31,010 there's the travelogue aspect and I 2836 02:06:35,440 --> 02:06:32,930 think particularly there was season two 2837 02:06:37,450 --> 02:06:35,450 there's been so much discussion about it 2838 02:06:39,970 --> 02:06:37,460 particularly online and the fact that it 2839 02:06:41,650 --> 02:06:39,980 was the fact that this this scrappy 2840 02:06:44,770 --> 02:06:41,660 little project by half a dozen people 2841 02:06:47,140 --> 02:06:44,780 was in trending television next to 2842 02:06:49,030 --> 02:06:47,150 projects that would cost millions and 2843 02:06:50,650 --> 02:06:49,040 millions of dollars to make I think 2844 02:06:52,300 --> 02:06:50,660 that's the phenomena at work that's the 2845 02:06:54,640 --> 02:06:52,310 phenomena reaching out to the general 2846 02:06:56,260 --> 02:06:54,650 public and saying pay attention there's 2847 02:06:59,830 --> 02:06:56,270 something here there's something calling 2848 02:07:01,069 --> 02:06:59,840 you follow this path that you just 2849 02:07:03,530 --> 02:07:01,079 brought up one of the 2850 02:07:06,080 --> 02:07:03,540 the great questions about this because 2851 02:07:08,240 --> 02:07:06,090 the paranormal aspect of this ETS 2852 02:07:11,089 --> 02:07:08,250 little green dudes and the goblins 2853 02:07:16,609 --> 02:07:11,099 that's all one thing but then we have 2854 02:07:19,220 --> 02:07:16,619 the true crime aspect of this where the 2855 02:07:22,399 --> 02:07:19,230 this is pushing into the legal areas 2856 02:07:25,669 --> 02:07:22,409 here real detective work can that get 2857 02:07:27,290 --> 02:07:25,679 you into trouble well yeah of course 2858 02:07:29,149 --> 02:07:27,300 and we're very careful about that I mean 2859 02:07:30,700 --> 02:07:29,159 there's there's so much stuff left on 2860 02:07:33,290 --> 02:07:30,710 the cutting room floor season two 2861 02:07:35,209 --> 02:07:33,300 because not only we were worried about 2862 02:07:36,200 --> 02:07:35,219 the legal ramifications of it but we 2863 02:07:38,180 --> 02:07:36,210 were worried about the personal 2864 02:07:40,790 --> 02:07:38,190 ramifications of putting this type of 2865 02:07:43,220 --> 02:07:40,800 stuff out into the world and you know 2866 02:07:44,839 --> 02:07:43,230 who knows whose radar we were gonna pop 2867 02:07:47,870 --> 02:07:44,849 up on I think the interesting thing 2868 02:07:50,959 --> 02:07:47,880 about Helier is the scary stuff isn't 2869 02:07:53,720 --> 02:07:50,969 the goblins it's the people that people 2870 02:07:55,910 --> 02:07:53,730 are the scariest part of Helier and then 2871 02:07:57,379 --> 02:07:55,920 you have Dana Dana this looking at you 2872 02:08:01,160 --> 02:07:57,389 like you're supposed to be my protector 2873 02:08:04,010 --> 02:08:01,170 dude you got me into a lot of trouble 2874 02:08:07,520 --> 02:08:04,020 here we got people right Dana does this 2875 02:08:09,709 --> 02:08:07,530 concern you yeah absolutely I mean I 2876 02:08:12,470 --> 02:08:09,719 think there's there's a handful of 2877 02:08:14,689 --> 02:08:12,480 moments in this season where you you 2878 02:08:16,160 --> 02:08:14,699 hear you can you can hear how scared I 2879 02:08:19,310 --> 02:08:16,170 am you can see how scared I am and like 2880 02:08:21,649 --> 02:08:19,320 we live in Cincinnati which is very 2881 02:08:25,040 --> 02:08:21,659 close to a lot of these places and so 2882 02:08:28,549 --> 02:08:25,050 you know potentially having people who 2883 02:08:30,229 --> 02:08:28,559 maybe aren't awesome people living so 2884 02:08:33,109 --> 02:08:30,239 close to us is definitely something that 2885 02:08:34,640 --> 02:08:33,119 has come up many many times and and even 2886 02:08:36,649 --> 02:08:34,650 just with the rest of the group it's 2887 02:08:39,410 --> 02:08:36,659 it's a you know it's a matter of 2888 02:08:42,319 --> 02:08:39,420 understanding that the the human element 2889 02:08:44,180 --> 02:08:42,329 is the date is dangerous and we need to 2890 02:08:45,890 --> 02:08:44,190 take that into consideration and always 2891 02:08:47,629 --> 02:08:45,900 be very careful when when we're 2892 02:08:51,260 --> 02:08:47,639 investigating these kind of places let's 2893 02:08:53,780 --> 02:08:51,270 put it this way Dana is Canadian we're 2894 02:08:56,979 --> 02:08:53,790 bleeding heart liberals and Dana says 2895 02:08:59,600 --> 02:08:56,989 you need to buy a gun yeah that's right 2896 02:09:01,819 --> 02:08:59,610 you know no matter what I can imagine 2897 02:09:04,160 --> 02:09:01,829 the argument right Dana going this is 2898 02:09:11,120 --> 02:09:04,170 all your fault and you can come back 2899 02:09:11,989 --> 02:09:11,130 with hey we're in this together you can 2900 02:09:14,959 --> 02:09:11,999 get a gun 2901 02:09:17,719 --> 02:09:14,969 thank you guys so much and and I know 2902 02:09:20,680 --> 02:09:17,729 that season three is right around the 2903 02:09:23,450 --> 02:09:20,690 corner there is everything is just 2904 02:09:26,209 --> 02:09:23,460 primed and ready to go I'm excited for 2905 02:09:28,939 --> 02:09:26,219 that and and just keep rolling that rock 2906 02:09:30,770 --> 02:09:28,949 uphill and and we're gonna go along in 2907 02:09:37,370 --> 02:09:30,780 this journey right beside you thank you 2908 02:09:39,229 --> 02:09:37,380 so much and now go and enjoy the holiday 2909 02:09:42,020 --> 02:09:39,239 season you know Christmas is in two 2910 02:09:44,719 --> 02:09:42,030 weeks yeah we'll try all right guys 2911 02:09:47,959 --> 02:09:44,729 thank you so much Greg and Dana Newkirk 2912 02:09:50,870 --> 02:09:47,969 now Planet weird where is and he'll your 2913 02:09:53,120 --> 02:09:50,880 dot TV is there anyplace else that you 2914 02:09:55,160 --> 02:09:53,130 would like everybody to go and and keep 2915 02:09:56,689 --> 02:09:55,170 up with you guys yeah if people are 2916 02:09:58,129 --> 02:09:56,699 curious about Helier and they want to 2917 02:10:00,229 --> 02:09:58,139 know where to watch it they can go to 2918 02:10:03,200 --> 02:10:00,239 hell your TV it's on Amazon Prime 2919 02:10:05,379 --> 02:10:03,210 exclusively right now but on Friday it 2920 02:10:07,819 --> 02:10:05,389 will be released to YouTube worldwide 2921 02:10:09,439 --> 02:10:07,829 and if they're curious about me and Dana 2922 02:10:12,709 --> 02:10:09,449 and the work that we do they can go to 2923 02:10:15,049 --> 02:10:12,719 Peres Museum calm there you go thank you 2924 02:10:16,910 --> 02:10:15,059 guys so much now go and enjoy the rest 2925 02:10:17,839 --> 02:10:16,920 of you tonight thank you so much thank 2926 02:10:21,560 --> 02:10:17,849 you thanks Jimmy 2927 02:10:23,660 --> 02:10:21,570 Greg and Dana Newkirk again the links 2928 02:10:25,790 --> 02:10:23,670 for everything are over edge of maturity 2929 02:10:28,310 --> 02:10:25,800 a calm you can go and click right there 2930 02:10:30,080 --> 02:10:28,320 and with that I got a roll credits and 2931 02:10:31,399 --> 02:10:30,090 get out of here we just want pole to 2932 02:10:32,870 --> 02:10:31,409 pole thank you guys so much for doing 2933 02:10:35,270 --> 02:10:32,880 overtime with us 2934 02:10:37,609 --> 02:10:35,280 fade to black cigs ecute of producer is 2935 02:10:39,640 --> 02:10:37,619 ritika Murray on shows produced by 2936 02:10:42,049 --> 02:10:39,650 Hilton Jay Paul Rene Dennis and Bob 2937 02:10:44,299 --> 02:10:42,059 announcers are Steve 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